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Harry panicked when he was attacked by Inferi, and he couldn't even kick Snape's butt. I don't ...

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Old 08-06-2005, 02:24 PM
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Harry panicked when he was attacked by Inferi, and he couldn't even kick Snape's butt. I don't how J.K. expects us to believe Harry can kill the most powerful dark wizard in a century.

Maybe he could bludgeon Voldemort with his purse? I'm sorry you guys, but i'm just sick and tired of Harry being such a sissy little nancy boy.
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Old 08-06-2005, 02:43 PM
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Ok! First of all, how would you feel if dead people were attacking you? And second of all, he beat Snape because Snape created all the spells Harry was useing against him so he knew how to block them! So just leave Harry alone!
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Old 08-06-2005, 03:35 PM
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Well alright, Harry has the ability to kill a basilisk with a sword and to kill a horcrux diary with a basilisk's fang at the age of twelve and yet he can't even shout "INCENDIO" when being attacked by inferi, nor can he keep his wits enough to say the dueling spells in his head when fighting a dark wizard.

I thought Heroes were supposed to do great things all by themselves at a very young age. Quite frankly if Harry cannot beat Snape in a duel then I don't know why J.K. expects us to think that he's powerful enough to kill the smartest and most ruthless dark wizard who lived in a hundred years. I mean he's got to face Voldemort in a battle to the death at the end of the seventh book and he has yet to beat a single deatheater in one on one combat.

The biggest problem I have here is that he killed a basilisk and a horcrux diary with just a hat, a sword, a pheonix and a basilisk fang. And he can get himself through the triwizard tournament. And he can force Voldemort's wand into a state of priory incantatem with just his will power. He can do all those things, and yet he can't even ignite one inferi or even scratch the skin of one deatheater.

And when he got cursed from behind with the Cruciatus curse, Snape had to rescue him from the other DE. There's alot of inconsistincy there from J.K. and this is an issue she needs to address. I have no problem with Snape getting away but Snape didn't just get away, he got away clean. I think that a hero should be able to at least put a mark on the bad guy before he get's away. I would have been satisfied with just a little first year level jinx or hex, but Snape got away without any scars or wounds to show for it.

If J.K. wants us believe that Harry's a great wizard then let's see him kick the snot out of a fully grown and highly skilled DE. That would lend him more credibility. But as it is he just doesn't have enough.
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Old 08-06-2005, 05:13 PM
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Harry's been through a lot, you know. I would have panicked too if Dumbledore was possibly dying from poison and I was getting carried into teh water by dead bodies!
I see what you're saying but I don't think he's a wimp at all.
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Old 08-06-2005, 10:07 PM
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i think harry is a bit of a wimp
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Old 08-07-2005, 11:49 AM
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Nobody wins every fight they get into.

I've read plenty of fanfiction where Harry gets super powers and blasts the begessus out of every death eater in sight. They're interesting, but highly unrealistic.

Simply stated- Harry will not be as powerfull as voldermort. He can't be. As dumbledore notes in the boat scene, Harry's powers aren't that big- not even full grown wizard size. He's not supposed to be as powerful. Note dumbledore's next line- "Voldermort's mistake, of course".

Consider this - medieval knights pushed for the outlawing of the crossbow, because a peasant with an hour's training could punch a hole through the thickest armor and kill any knight who had been training for a decade.

Which is why Snape can kill the only one Voldermort has ever feared, dumbledore.

Voldermort does not know someone is killing his horcruxs. Once Harry destroys them, Harry can play off of voldermort's ignorace. (Remember Macbeth? It should be noted that JK liked the book) The plot of seven is easy to guess- so much of it has been set up, especially through HBP, unlike six where there were just huge blank spaces of what could happen.


On a totally different note- did anyone else realize that Harry didn't meet voldermort face to face in six? Only other time that happens in is three. And after three comes four where they duel... after six they'll duel?
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Old 08-07-2005, 01:50 PM
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O.K. I will admit, maybe I'm being a little hard on Harry. But Harry's supposed to be Voldemort's equal right? And the Sorting hat said, when looking into Harry at the beginning of SS, "and there's talent here, oh my goodness yes." So if he is Voldemort's equal, if he is so talented, and if he is a hero then why isn't he at least as good as Hermione at academics?

I don't expect him to win every fight, I would have been happy if he just scratched Snape a little, and set one inferi on fire. I understand that he's still a very young wizard.

But he's going to fight Voldemort to the death in a year, and pardon me, but he doesn't seem ready for that. A truly great boy wizard would have set maybe one or two inferi aflame before being carried into the water. A truly great boy wizard would have put at least a goose egg bump on Snape's head before being defeated.

He just doesn't seem very heroic to me. He seems more like a wizard of fair to middlin ability whose greatest superpower is to get lucky in every situation.
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yes he gits lucky but just becaus the hat said he had talent does not meen he is smart talent is not just smarts it colde be bravery skill power not just smarts i did not join this chat room to hear harry git dised if you dont like how jk is doing the books then maby you sholde start reading pictur books agin or just join a differnt chat room im sure none of us want to hear harry giting dised
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Harry's skills are in other thing than sheer magical power (although he did manage to shield charm snape into a desk, and could produce a patronus during his third year) He also held his own at the ministry...

Harry's skills also lie in his leadership (The D.A.) as well as thinking on his feet. He's not perfect, but he can take out voldermort if he plays his cards right.

Again- JK is trying to create some realism here. We can't just have harry win every duel. The books would be downright ridiculous sounding. We also shouldn't expect Harry to gain superman powers overnight either. But what he has... 'Use it well'.

Did anyone else notice that slughorn tells harry that about the felix felices? The same thing dumbledore tells harry about the invisibility cloak, twice... (in bks 1& 6)
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Old 08-08-2005, 07:18 AM
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Originally posted by Drizzt Dudden@Aug 6 2005, 03:24 PM
Harry panicked when he was attacked by Inferi, and he couldn't even kick Snape's butt. I don't how J.K. expects us to believe Harry can kill the most powerful dark wizard in a century.

Maybe he could bludgeon Voldemort with his purse? I'm sorry you guys, but i'm just sick and tired of Harry being such a sissy little nancy boy.
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Harry is a very human and full of contridictions, which is what makes him believable and a wonderful character.

Harry was unable to remember that fire would stop the inferi, although Dumbledore had reminded him minutes earlier. But he was able to apperate and take Dumbledore with him to save Dumbledore (he thought).

Harry had to run for his life in the graveyard in gof (Dobby had guided him through the triwizard tournament and his wand saved him against a still weak Voldmort) but he thought to bring Cedric back with him.

He is often pig headed with his friends, but his intentions are pure enough to get the stone from the mirror and call the phoenix to his rescue in the Chamber of Secrets.

He made several mistakes in Prisoner, but was able to create a patronus for the first time to save Sirius.

When most people did not believe him and thought he was off his rocker in cos and otp, he continued to stand tall and did what he needed to do.

You're right, Harry is not a great wizard - he is average as Snape has pointed out. But he has a great strength of character and will follow his convictions to the end, what ever that may be. When it 'hits the fan' in book 7, we all know Harry will not duck and run like most do against a bully like Voldemort. That is ultimately why Harry will win, courage . . . infinitely more inspiring and entertaining ending than because he has great natural talent.
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