The 7th Book

Voldemort worked very hard, uncovering info about the chamber of secrets.
At the time, I'm sure he was very much pleased with himself.
He already had at least Myrtle's murder to his credit (not yet the three Riddles)
and who knows if he had a few more at the time.

psyduck: Hmmm I dunno mate. Still not convinced about the trophy.
I don't think Myrtle's death counts as a horcrux-creative force. Firstly because Voldy didn't kill her the basilisk did. Secondly, Dumby says that he kept the creation of horcruxes for 'significant' murders. Don't think Myrtle qualifies.
Tom did work hard at finding out about the Chamber and wanted peple to eventually know that he was the heir of Slythrin but all that is kind of covered when he created the diary horcrux (Dumby tells us). So I don't quite get why he'd want to make that statement AGAIn by making the trophy a horcrux.

Again, very clever of you to think of the trophy though

seriously; Yep. I reckon you're right. I can't see Hermione and/or Ron dying FOR Harry. What do you think the chances are of them surviving though?
What do you reckon of Neville's chances?? Will he come back into it at all now they've left Hoggers??



I still vote for Godric's sword as a horcrux

Myrtle was probably his first. And yes, it was murder. To say otherwise would be like a little kid saying, "I'm not hitting him, the stick is." (My kids have actually used that line.) I'm sure he was very much pleased with himself at the time. I say it was very significant.

If that was an unlikely time to use the trophy, it was just as unlikely a time for the sword. Voldmort wasn't allowed to roam the school at will after his graduation, and certainly would not have had access to the headmaster's office. Come to think of it, unless he committed another murder before graduation, I'd say that both the trophy and the sword were impossible.

As I've said, somewhere above, Griffindor's sword had already crossed Dumbledore's mind, and I'm sure he examined it and determined that it was not a horcrux.



NEW THOUGHT --

If little Lily's death was so helpful to Harry, could the death of someone of Dumbledore's status cover a handful of people?

psyduck: I presume that murder is ALWAYs significant to the victim. The question is which murders are significant to the murderer. I don't think Myrtle's was. Just as James' wasn't. Additionally, there was no intent to murder Myrtle; just another casualty. Just like Lily's. This does not make them candidates for horcrux creation according to Dumby- and me (I'll still argue that Voldy did not murder or kill Myrtle)

Naa mate. The point I'm arguing is that Voldy came BACK to Hogwarts (the strange, unexplained 'interview' in Dumby's office we saw in the penseive) in order to CREATE another horcrux: Godric's sword. He didn't do it when he was still at school.

The attraction of Godric's sword is that it is a founders' heirloom AND that it would be right under Dumby's nose AND that it would be protected by Dumby himself. The only 'pop' to my bubble of a theory is, as you point out;

As I've said, somewhere above, Griffindor's sword had already crossed Dumbledore's mind, and I'm sure he examined it and determined that it was not a horcrux.

The thing that inflates my theory bubble is the nonchalant(sp) brush-off/lame-o excuse Dumby came up with for Voldy's visit.

Naa. The strange 'Voldemort's request' AND the Dumby's "look of triumph" have gotta come back in to the story I reckon


'If little Lily's death was so helpful to Harry, could the death of someone of Dumbledore's status cover a handful of people?'
Yeah oK. So Dumby knows the 'old magic'/love that Lily used and has re-enforced it with his own sacrifice for Harry??? is that what you're saying? Hmmm maybe. I kinda got the impression that Dumby died for Malfoy even more than than Harry at that particular moment (maybe Snape but I'm coming around to the 'Snape's evil' way of thinking lately so I dunno). does that mean Draco and every kid at Hoggers and all the Order re 'covered' by the protection of the 'love sacrifice'???

Do you know what's really interesting is that Jo answered a quick "no comment" when asked if there was anyone else at Godric's Hollow that night.... My votes on Snape cpwering in the bushes as he realises what he's done. Maybe this isn't the place to discuss this. i'll try to find somewhere else to post this titbit.


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I found you a place.
Someone started a topic called "Godric's Hollow ???"
and it's hardly been used.

I seriously like this idea! Sweet justice for Neville.

"Really really bored" and and "mcdirector" say that
"Lucious Malfoy and Bellatrix will be killed by Neville..."

I desperately want Neville to go after Bella and her husband,
but what's Neville got against Lucious?



Buffy -- did I mention that the "Godric's Hollow" thread is in
"For Members of the Order of the Phoenix > The Restricted Section of the Library >
Year VI: Harry Potter and the Half Blood Prince"?

That tapping sound you hear is the sound of my foot, waiting patiently for more info.

Yes Buffy, that glint of triumph in Dumbledores eye has been bothering me ever since the fourth book. I think it will come into the story somewhere and I reckon it will tie in with the Horcrux's somehow.
But I don't reckon the Horcrux is Godrics sword, simply because Dumbledore would have examined it. He's a clever fellow, no?
I wonder if you can make a ghost a horcrux? Wow, think about it! I don't think you can destroy ghosts, so an indestructable horcrux! Imagine if Voldy killed Myrtle than made her ghost into a horcrux!
How are horcruxs made? Do you have to have the thing that you want to be a horcrux with you at the time of the murder or what? Cos that would kill that theory, (no pun intended!) Unless ghosts come back instantly. I don't think it's likely anyway. Just my imagination running wild...again!

Ah, that glint. This is the sort of thing that keeps me awake at night! :P

psyduck: Ta Mate. I'll look into this 'godric's Hollow' thread but I've actually posted my theory on this somewhere else now. Probably in 'restricted section' I tend to be there alot, or in the Leaky Culdron- us Australians tend to gravitate towards pubs don't we?

Hey. Notice how often 'Godric' has popped up on this particular line of enquiry...?? hmm We might be onto something. Even if it is that Godric's sword is hollow/isn't a horcrux or is it that Godric's sword holds answers just like Godric's Hollow... <_< We await with baited breath (said it before and I'll say it again, that is THE weirdest saying in the English languge! Shakespear n'it??)

Mcdirector: I LOVE the idea of Neville getting revenge almost as much as he does -and slightly less than his grandma I reckon. Jo's gotta let us have some sense of justice surely?
ps. i really like your name. I hope it's in reference to yuckyNewell

Serious: (Can I call you 'Serious'? I feel like I know you well enough to take such liberties. 'But one word from you on his subject will silence me forever...' sorry. Just channelling some Pride and Prejustice. Did you know that Austen is our Jo's fav. author?? So, there we go, not TOTALLY random tangent.) Anyway:
The 'glint'; There's been stuff on this over the time, as I'm sure you can imagine. In fact, I started a thread...ummmm... don't know where don't know when, but I think it's called 'Voldemort Has Harry's Blood' or something like that. It might be in the 'resricted section' or there was a thread called 'character analysis' which I hung out in for a while.... mate, I DO get a about a bit I gotta admit. ANyway, it's worth a look 'cause we discuss this very thing. I would really appreciate your thoughts on this though.i reckon two Aussie girls can figure this one out no worries

(ps. Have you read the news years day interview transcript on The Leaky Culdron site? Jo talks about the 'glint' and says that ''yes'' it is important. So there we go. We are bloody brillant for spotting it!! YAY

pss. I hope some of this might help you get some sleep lil' Serious- Though with this incredible full moon I suppose you don't have much choice. Nigh nights- or growl grwlll as the case may be)

K.... *slumped shoulders* I give up on the godric sword thingy

Ghosts as horcruxes...??? WOW I never thoguht of that.
Your comment about how a horcrux is created (which is tantilisingly unanswered. 'how are they destroyed?' is unanswered also!!) inspires the question 'what are they?' If they are like the 'diary horcrux Voldy' (ie. been around someone to 'feed' off like the diary did to Ginny) then they are walking, talking, thinking, fighting Voldemorts. This means that Harry has to fight and 'kill' 4 horcrux-Voldy's before facing the last, big one... hemmmm??

i actually support the peter theory because it could be the dark lord's way to punish peter for some reason, and Dumby was harry's closest male adult, and his death could drive harry to the brink of insanity. very confusing.