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In many (south) Asian stories and may be in the Arabian Nights also there are tales of wizards, sorcerers and ...

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In many (south) Asian stories and may be in the Arabian Nights also there are tales of wizards, sorcerers and monsters (raksasas) keeping their souls in other well guarded objects which include diamonds and precious stones which have to be broken to destroy the soul. However these souls could also be stored in living creatures, usually a bird, toad, snake, etc. The animal had to be killed in order to destroy the owner of the soul.

I think that Harry himself could be a horcrux. He might have become one when Voldemort placed the scar on Harry's forehead. There is a clear connection between Harry and Voldemort through that scar. Also, we know that Voldemort passed more of himself to Harry through that scar than even he realized including some of his powers. The scar could be the link and is thus so vital to the story. I am not sure that even Voldemort knows this. He may find out in the last book 'Deathly Hallows' when he attempts to kill Harry. This could be a key to the riddle of the prophecy that links both Voldemort and Harry. Also I think that Voldemort being reborn using Harry's blood could also be very important to this thread of thought.

I know that J.K.R may have mentioned already that the two-way mirror that Sirius gave to Harry would resurface in the last book. I think this is very important because my assumption is that Harry will make contact will Sirius somehow. Sirius in a way really did not die in the traditional sense, he was removed bodily into another dimension (sort of).

If Harry really is a horcrux then he WILL have to die in order to destroy Voldemort. No doubt, Voldemort would probably be the one to kill Harry and thus bring about his own fall. If Harry finds out he is a horcrux, he MAY choose the path of death himself. But somehow I don't think that J.K.R. will leave us with an ending so bitter after giving us so much joy through her books. I think that Sirius may again play a vital role as will the two-way mirror. If all goes as I expect, more than one life could gain reprieve including one already thought to be lost.

Would love to know your take on this.
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I completely agree. I think Dumbledore was a horcrux himself. Of course, Harry will die in The Heathly Hallows.
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this is a thought... but i dont like the idea of harry dead. and if he dies, whos going to kill voldy?? sirius? personally i think that jk rowling will let harry kill off voldy, after all he is the hero, not sirius (even thought how adorable he is) but if harry kill voldy then why should he die himself? im cunfusd here...someone help me out plz.
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See thread called "Harry As A Horcrux, Three important questions to ask...." in the Deathly Hallows Forum.

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The theory says that it was an ACCIDENT. But don't worry -- it's not life-threatening to Harry.

The basic theory goes like this:

Remember Aunt Marge -- accidents can happen when one is upset, angry or frightened. Harry was not in control.

When Voldemort arrived at Godric's Hollow, Dumbledore said that he was prepared to create a horcrux. That means that whatever he needed -- materials, equipment, intention, mindset, prior meditation -- whatever it takes, he had it with him at that moment. He was good to go. His intended victim (the fresh kill that a horcrux seems to require) was Harry. The intended recepticle for the horcrux we do not know.

When Voldemort's spell backfired, he was ripped from his body and he was not in control. Stuff happens. The "fresh kill" ended up being Lily and/or James, and the recepticle for the shard of Voldemort's soul ended up being Harry.

For lack of a better one, I have given the name, “Bob” to the individual dementor who attacked Harry by the lake when he had been instructed to look for Sirius.

That's three times the dementors singled Harry out. They also tried to attack him on the train and at that Quiddich game. Both times, adult wizards drove them away.

Because Harry is an accidental horcrux, he somehow stands out to them. They can probably sense in Harry the evil shard of Voldemort's soul. Dementors are blind. They were instructed to look for a murderer. This theory says that "Bob" was just following instructions, bypassing the innocent soul and attacking the evil one.

Cornelius Fudge understands and is able to talk to the dementors. They told him that Sirius had been "talking in his sleep," and they were angrier than he had ever seem them.

If asked, can "Bob" explain his actions on that day by the lake?

A "dementor's kiss" removes the soul while leaving the person technically alive. Can "Bob" provide treatment? Can he remove the shard without harming Harry? Some of the horcruxes might be cursed or have special protections added after the fact. This shard will not.

P.S.: If this theory is correct, it won't slow Voldemort down in his attempt to kill Harry. He hates Harry more than he loves the shard. He never intended to create it in the first place. [/b]
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but i thought that harry attract dementors becouse of the horrible things he had gone trough when he was a baby and not becouse he has got the evil soul of voldy inside him.
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I love this theory, Psyduck. My own theory goes a step further. What if the creation of accidental horcrux worked both ways? Harry was responsible for Voldy's "death". What if whatever state Voldemort remained in contained a portion of Harry's soul? This is all dependant on the ability of Horcrux to be created "accidentally".
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I love this theory, Psyduck. My own theory goes a step further. What if the creation of accidental horcrux worked both ways? Harry was responsible for Voldy's "death". What if whatever state Voldemort remained in contained a portion of Harry's soul? This is all dependant on the ability of Horcrux to be created "accidentally".
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i really dont think that, harry is whole. actually i think that you cant make a horcrux accidentally becouse its too powerfull to be made accidentally.
but it is a creative thought though..
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I love this theory, Psyduck. My own theory goes a step further. What if the creation of accidental horcrux worked both ways? Harry was responsible for Voldy's "death". What if whatever state Voldemort remained in contained a portion of Harry's soul? This is all dependant on the ability of Horcrux to be created "accidentally".
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i really dont think that, harry is whole. actually i think that you cant make a horcrux accidentally becouse its too powerfull to be made accidentally.
but it is a creative thought though..
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I agree.. i dont think you can make a Horcrux by accident.. There is a lot of magic and concentration involved.. thats why there was nothing in the Hogwarts library about it.. or the Hogwarts resrticted section.. Tom had to go to Professer Slughorn about it..
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this is a thought... but i dont like the idea of harry dead. and if he dies, whos going to kill voldy?? sirius? personally i think that jk rowling will let harry kill off voldy, after all he is the hero, not sirius (even thought how adorable he is) but if harry kill voldy then why should he die himself? im cunfusd here...someone help me out plz.
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I think Harry will end up killing Voldemort as we all expect. But I don't think it will end up being as simple as that. All the horcrux have to be destroyed in order to kill Voldemort. If Harry is a horcrux, at the end of the story his will probably be the only remainig horcrux to destroy. How Harry will go about doing this will be something to read about.

Harry does not yet know that he is a horcrux neither does Voldemort I exepect. I think that Dumbledore may have known or suspected this. Dumbledore was the one who pushed Harry to learn more about the horcrux. Why? Why did little Harry have to learn about the horcrux when there were many more able and well trained wizards who could do with some knowledge about this (assuming of course that very few knew about it)? Also why did Dumbledore take little Harry with him to destroy a horcrux which was guarded by inferi and a countless number of hexes. He could have taken anyone more trained or no one at all. I think this was all in preparation for Harry to learn the truth about his scar and the ways to deal with it. I think that Harry is expected to find out for himself that he is a horcrux. It will in the end be Harry's decision how to deal with this fact. When all the other horcrux have been destroyed, it will be up to Harry to decide how to destroy the final horcrux.

I think that Sirius will come into play here through the two-way mirror. I think that Harry will do something very dangerous to himself but there will be a way back and Sirius will be his guide.
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I love this theory, Psyduck. My own theory goes a step further. What if the creation of accidental horcrux worked both ways? Harry was responsible for Voldy's "death". What if whatever state Voldemort remained in contained a portion of Harry's soul? This is all dependant on the ability of Horcrux to be created "accidentally".
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i really dont think that, harry is whole. actually i think that you cant make a horcrux accidentally becouse its too powerfull to be made accidentally.
but it is a creative thought though..
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I agree.. i dont think you can make a Horcrux by accident.. There is a lot of magic and concentration involved.. thats why there was nothing in the Hogwarts library about it.. or the Hogwarts resrticted section.. Tom had to go to Professer Slughorn about it..
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Voldemort passed some of himself into Harry through that scar. Just how much or what of Voldemort was passed into Harry can be debated, but Harry does exhibit powers that Voldemort had and the scar does act like a conduit through which they can both communicate. That is not a normal scar and I think we will find out a lot more about it in the final book. If Harry has become a horcrux as I suspect, I am sure Voldemort did not intend for it nor does he know of it yet.

There is really too little known about horcrux to say whether they can be conjured accidentally or not. The avada cadevra curse itself requires a pretty strong will and desire to do harm in order to rip the soul out of a person. This is the curse that went wrong for Voldemort. The repercussions of such a curse going awry cannot be ascertained.
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