The Truth Behind The Scar

I think Harry will end up killing Voldemort as we all expect. But I don't think it will end up being as simple as that. All the horcrux have to be destroyed in order to kill Voldemort. If Harry is a horcrux, at the end of the story his will probably be the only remainig horcrux to destroy. How Harry will go about doing this will be something to read about.

Harry does not yet know that he is a horcrux neither does Voldemort I exepect. I think that Dumbledore may have known or suspected this. Dumbledore was the one who pushed Harry to learn more about the horcrux. Why? Why did little Harry have to learn about the horcrux when there were many more able and well trained wizards who could do with some knowledge about this (assuming of course that very few knew about it)? Also why did Dumbledore take little Harry with him to destroy a horcrux which was guarded by inferi and a countless number of hexes. He could have taken anyone more trained or no one at all. I think this was all in preparation for Harry to learn the truth about his scar and the ways to deal with it. I think that Harry is expected to find out for himself that he is a horcrux. It will in the end be Harry's decision how to deal with this fact. When all the other horcrux have been destroyed, it will be up to Harry to decide how to destroy the final horcrux.

I think that Sirius will come into play here through the two-way mirror. I think that Harry will do something very dangerous to himself but there will be a way back and Sirius will be his guide.
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The reason that Dumbledore took Harry was because he has to destory the Horcrux in order to kill voldemort. Its in the pophecy.. "neither can live while the other survives", .. so there for Harry has to be there to learn how to destory the Horcrux so that he can kill Voldemort. Hes not little hes almost an adult at this point in time. Oh and noone else like a trained wizard or witch can learn about the horcrux because Harry is the one who has to kill voldemort.. what would be the point in some else doing it when Harry has to?

In a book titled Harry Potter, one would expect Harry to be central to the plot. According to the prophecy Voldemort has to die in order for Harry to live or vice versa. There is no doubt in that. The actions of Dumbledore, I believe, were not only to prepare Harry for the inevitablity of the prphecy playing out but also to direct him towards a truth unavoidable yet unthinkable.

There is a piece of Voldemort in Harry. Denying that would be like saying that the whole incident with his parents dying never happened.

There is a strange parallel with Ginny's relationship with Tom Riddle in Chamber of Secrets and Harry's relationship with Voldemort. Both Ginny and Tom were linked with each other through the Diary with Tom gradually becoming strong enough to possess her body because she opened herself too much to him. Harry had to destroy the diary in order to destroy Tom. We already know that the diary was a horcrux.

If we draw the parallel, the scar is what links Harry and Voldemort. Through which they can both communicate. Every time Harry has a vision of Voldemort his scar hurts. Only Harry knew about this connection at first, Voldemort didn't, the scar being on Harry's forehead and not the other way around. The scar seems to operate quite similarly to the diary (a horcrux) in CoS. The reason why I think Dumbledore knew that the scar was a horcrux was because he had Harry study Occlumency. If the scar acted like the diary it could have eventually allowed Voldemort to gain control of Harry much like Tom controlled Ginny. Dumbledore had Harry study Occlumency so that Harry could keep Voldemort out of his mind.

In the CoS it was Harry who destroyed the diary and not Ginny, the person who was possessed through the horcrux. If Harry's scar is a horcrux, I can't quite imagine someone stabbing it with a basilisk's fang without killing Harry. I think the events in book 7 might play out quite similarly to CoS with Ginny playing a major role, even that of a savior. Harry will emerge from this alive with his scar gone but he may have some form of a deathly experience in the 'Deathly Hallows' and under these circumstances Sirius will also play a major role and could possibly return from the dead.

Oh you're right he's not little any more. I'll call him big Harry from now on.

In a book titled Harry Potter, one would expect Harry to be central to the plot. According to the prophecy Voldemort has to die in order for Harry to live or vice versa. There is no doubt in that. The actions of Dumbledore, I believe, were not only to prepare Harry for the inevitablity of the prphecy playing out but also to direct him towards a truth unavoidable yet unthinkable.

There is a piece of Voldemort in Harry. Denying that would be like saying that the whole incident with his parents dying never happened.

There is a strange parallel with Ginny's relationship with Tom Riddle in Chamber of Secrets and Harry's relationship with Voldemort. Both Ginny and Tom were linked with each other through the Diary with Tom gradually becoming strong enough to possess her body because she opened herself too much to him. Harry had to destroy the diary in order to destroy Tom. We already know that the diary was a horcrux.

If we draw the parallel, the scar is what links Harry and Voldemort. Through which they can both communicate. Every time Harry has a vision of Voldemort his scar hurts. Only Harry knew about this connection at first, Voldemort didn't, the scar being on Harry's forehead and not the other way around. The scar seems to operate quite similarly to the diary (a horcrux) in CoS. The reason why I think Dumbledore knew that the scar was a horcrux was because he had Harry study Occlumency. If the scar acted like the diary it could have eventually allowed Voldemort to gain control of Harry much like Tom controlled Ginny. Dumbledore had Harry study Occlumency so that Harry could keep Voldemort out of his mind.

In the CoS it was Harry who destroyed the diary and not Ginny, the person who was possessed through the horcrux. If Harry's scar is a horcrux, I can't quite imagine someone stabbing it with a basilisk's fang without killing Harry. I think the events in book 7 might play out quite similarly to CoS with Ginny playing a major role, even that of a savior. Harry will emerge from this alive with his scar gone but he may have some form of a deathly experience in the 'Deathly Hallows' and under these circumstances Sirius will also play a major role and could possibly return from the dead.

Oh you're right he's not little any more. I'll call him big Harry from now on.
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I just dont think Harry could be a Horcrux.. that takes to much concentration and magic.. besides when Voldemort went to go kill Harry that night on Oct. 31st he did not mean to transfer some of his powers to Harry. it was a mistake becasue he over looked the power of love. I dont think the scar is a Horcrux. its just to much of "what if" type of thing.

I bolded part of your thing up there because i wanted to make a point. Voldemort did not know about the scar being a connection right.. so how would he of made it a Horcrux.. i just dont see any proof that Harry's scar is one..

I just dont think Harry could be a Horcrux.. that takes to much concentration and magic.. besides when Voldemort went to go kill Harry that night on Oct. 31st he did not mean to transfer some of his powers to Harry. it was a mistake becasue he over looked the power of love. I dont think the scar is a Horcrux. its just to much of "what if" type of thing.

I bolded part of your thing up there because i wanted to make a point. Voldemort did not know about the scar being a connection right.. so how would he of made it a Horcrux.. i just dont see any proof that Harry's scar is one..
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I know that you have said repeatedly that you don't believe in the accidental horcrux theory. But the reason why Vt didn't know about the horcrux in Harry was, in my theory, because he did not intend it as such. The only thing that Vt really feared was death, nonexistance, and that fear had him going around making a number of horcruxes. I really don't think there was much of his own soul left in him when he went to the Potters house. Much of whatever was left was probably transfered to that scar. We don't really know what it takes to make a horcrux. So I may be free to think that it can be made accidentally provided all the ingredients are already in place. Similarly, you may also be free to think that it can't be made accidentally. But you can't really say that there is no proof behind my theory. How would you describe the similarities between the diary (CoS) and the scar?

Remember how Tom controlled Ginny. Voldemort controls Nagini in much the same way looking through her eyes. There is a strong suggestion that Nagini is/has a horcrux. How do you explain why Dumbledore had Harry study Occlumency if not in prevention of Vt gaining control over Harry?

In a book titled Harry Potter, one would expect Harry to be central to the plot. According to the prophecy Voldemort has to die in order for Harry to live or vice versa. There is no doubt in that. The actions of Dumbledore, I believe, were not only to prepare Harry for the inevitablity of the prphecy playing out but also to direct him towards a truth unavoidable yet unthinkable.

There is a piece of Voldemort in Harry. Denying that would be like saying that the whole incident with his parents dying never happened.

There is a strange parallel with Ginny's relationship with Tom Riddle in Chamber of Secrets and Harry's relationship with Voldemort. Both Ginny and Tom were linked with each other through the Diary with Tom gradually becoming strong enough to possess her body because she opened herself too much to him. Harry had to destroy the diary in order to destroy Tom. We already know that the diary was a horcrux.

If we draw the parallel, the scar is what links Harry and Voldemort. Through which they can both communicate. Every time Harry has a vision of Voldemort his scar hurts. Only Harry knew about this connection at first, Voldemort didn't, the scar being on Harry's forehead and not the other way around. The scar seems to operate quite similarly to the diary (a horcrux) in CoS. The reason why I think Dumbledore knew that the scar was a horcrux was because he had Harry study Occlumency. If the scar acted like the diary it could have eventually allowed Voldemort to gain control of Harry much like Tom controlled Ginny. Dumbledore had Harry study Occlumency so that Harry could keep Voldemort out of his mind.

In the CoS it was Harry who destroyed the diary and not Ginny, the person who was possessed through the horcrux. If Harry's scar is a horcrux, I can't quite imagine someone stabbing it with a basilisk's fang without killing Harry. I think the events in book 7 might play out quite similarly to CoS with Ginny playing a major role, even that of a savior. Harry will emerge from this alive with his scar gone but he may have some form of a deathly experience in the 'Deathly Hallows' and under these circumstances Sirius will also play a major role and could possibly return from the dead.

Oh you're right he's not little any more. I'll call him big Harry from now on.
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I just dont think Harry could be a Horcrux.. that takes to much concentration and magic.. besides when Voldemort went to go kill Harry that night on Oct. 31st he did not mean to transfer some of his powers to Harry. it was a mistake becasue he over looked the power of love. I dont think the scar is a Horcrux. its just to much of "what if" type of thing.

I bolded part of your thing up there because i wanted to make a point. Voldemort did not know about the scar being a connection right.. so how would he of made it a Horcrux.. i just dont see any proof that Harry's scar is one..
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I know that you have said repeatedly that you don't believe in the accidental horcrux theory. But the reason why Vt didn't know about the horcrux in Harry was, in my theory, because he did not intend it as such. The only thing that Vt really feared was death, nonexistance, and that fear had him going around making a number of horcruxes. I really don't think there was much of his own soul left in him when he went to the Potters house. Much of whatever was left was probably transfered to that scar. We don't really know what it takes to make a horcrux. So I may be free to think that it can be made accidentally provided all the ingredients are already in place. Similarly, you may also be free to think that it can't be made accidentally. But you can't really say that there is no proof behind my theory. How would you describe the similarities between the diary (CoS) and the scar?

Remember how Tom controlled Ginny. Voldemort controls Nagini in much the same way looking through her eyes. There is a strong suggestion that Nagini is/has a horcrux. How do you explain why Dumbledore had Harry study Occlumency if not in prevention of Vt gaining control over Harry?
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Ok, ok i will give you that.. no more arguing.. we will just have to find out in book 7..

The Diary contained a memory sorta.. the memory of Tom riddle. I dont really see any similarities between that and Harry's scar. Ok i give you that the scar does contain some of voldemort. Mostly just the Parsletongue. That was the power that voldemort transfered into harry. i dont think he transfered any parts of his soul.

The Diary Tom used to take over an inncent soul in this case Ginny Weasly.

In the book it said that Voldemort did try to take over Harry but was unsecessful and it hurt . i dont think that he will try to take him over because of that. He can't. i found it in the book... it says... "You have flitted into Lord Voldemort's without damage to yourself, but he cannot posses you without Mortal agony as he discoverd in the Ministry". (Harry Potter and the HBP page 511 Hard copy American)

With the Occlumency, Dumbledore made him try to learn it so that he would not have visions.. im pretty certin thats the reason and not becasue of voldemort trying to take him over

I just dont think Harry could be a Horcrux.. that takes to much concentration and magic.. besides when Voldemort went to go kill Harry that night on Oct. 31st he did not mean to transfer some of his powers to Harry. it was a mistake becasue he over looked the power of love. I dont think the scar is a Horcrux. its just to much of "what if" type of thing.

I bolded part of your thing up there because i wanted to make a point. Voldemort did not know about the scar being a connection right.. so how would he of made it a Horcrux.. i just dont see any proof that Harry's scar is one..
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I know that you have said repeatedly that you don't believe in the accidental horcrux theory. But the reason why Vt didn't know about the horcrux in Harry was, in my theory, because he did not intend it as such. The only thing that Vt really feared was death, nonexistance, and that fear had him going around making a number of horcruxes. I really don't think there was much of his own soul left in him when he went to the Potters house. Much of whatever was left was probably transfered to that scar. We don't really know what it takes to make a horcrux. So I may be free to think that it can be made accidentally provided all the ingredients are already in place. Similarly, you may also be free to think that it can't be made accidentally. But you can't really say that there is no proof behind my theory. How would you describe the similarities between the diary (CoS) and the scar?

Remember how Tom controlled Ginny. Voldemort controls Nagini in much the same way looking through her eyes. There is a strong suggestion that Nagini is/has a horcrux. How do you explain why Dumbledore had Harry study Occlumency if not in prevention of Vt gaining control over Harry?
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Ok, ok i will give you that.. no more arguing.. we will just have to find out in book 7..

The Diary contained a memory sorta.. the memory of Tom riddle. I dont really see any similarities between that and Harry's scar. Ok i give you that the scar does contain some of voldemort. Mostly just the Parsletongue. That was the power that voldemort transfered into harry. i dont think he transfered any parts of his soul.

The Diary Tom used to take over an inncent soul in this case Ginny Weasly.

In the book it said that Voldemort did try to take over Harry but was unsecessful and it hurt . i dont think that he will try to take him over because of that. He can't. i found it in the book... it says... "You have flitted into Lord Voldemort's without damage to yourself, but he cannot posses you without Mortal agony as he discoverd in the Ministry". (Harry Potter and the HBP page 511 Hard copy American)

With the Occlumency, Dumbledore made him try to learn it so that he would not have visions.. im pretty certin thats the reason and not becasue of voldemort trying to take him over
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Book 7 it is then.

But ask yourself this, which is worse: Harry having visions or Harry being possessed? Which one do you think he needed protecting from. Any way, I think you need to be really willing or very weak to be completely possessed. Harry fought Voldemort's possession which I think resulted in the pain.

In a book titled Harry Potter, one would expect Harry to be central to the plot. According to the prophecy Voldemort has to die in order for Harry to live or vice versa. There is no doubt in that. The actions of Dumbledore, I believe, were not only to prepare Harry for the inevitablity of the prphecy playing out but also to direct him towards a truth unavoidable yet unthinkable.

There is a piece of Voldemort in Harry. Denying that would be like saying that the whole incident with his parents dying never happened.

There is a strange parallel with Ginny's relationship with Tom Riddle in Chamber of Secrets and Harry's relationship with Voldemort. Both Ginny and Tom were linked with each other through the Diary with Tom gradually becoming strong enough to possess her body because she opened herself too much to him. Harry had to destroy the diary in order to destroy Tom. We already know that the diary was a horcrux.

If we draw the parallel, the scar is what links Harry and Voldemort. Through which they can both communicate. Every time Harry has a vision of Voldemort his scar hurts. Only Harry knew about this connection at first, Voldemort didn't, the scar being on Harry's forehead and not the other way around. The scar seems to operate quite similarly to the diary (a horcrux) in CoS. The reason why I think Dumbledore knew that the scar was a horcrux was because he had Harry study Occlumency. If the scar acted like the diary it could have eventually allowed Voldemort to gain control of Harry much like Tom controlled Ginny. Dumbledore had Harry study Occlumency so that Harry could keep Voldemort out of his mind.

In the CoS it was Harry who destroyed the diary and not Ginny, the person who was possessed through the horcrux. If Harry's scar is a horcrux, I can't quite imagine someone stabbing it with a basilisk's fang without killing Harry. I think the events in book 7 might play out quite similarly to CoS with Ginny playing a major role, even that of a savior. Harry will emerge from this alive with his scar gone but he may have some form of a deathly experience in the 'Deathly Hallows' and under these circumstances Sirius will also play a major role and could possibly return from the dead.

Oh you're right he's not little any more. I'll call him big Harry from now on.
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I just dont think Harry could be a Horcrux.. that takes to much concentration and magic.. besides when Voldemort went to go kill Harry that night on Oct. 31st he did not mean to transfer some of his powers to Harry. it was a mistake becasue he over looked the power of love. I dont think the scar is a Horcrux. its just to much of "what if" type of thing.

I bolded part of your thing up there because i wanted to make a point. Voldemort did not know about the scar being a connection right.. so how would he of made it a Horcrux.. i just dont see any proof that Harry's scar is one..
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I know that you have said repeatedly that you don't believe in the accidental horcrux theory. But the reason why Vt didn't know about the horcrux in Harry was, in my theory, because he did not intend it as such. The only thing that Vt really feared was death, nonexistance, and that fear had him going around making a number of horcruxes. I really don't think there was much of his own soul left in him when he went to the Potters house. Much of whatever was left was probably transfered to that scar. We don't really know what it takes to make a horcrux. So I may be free to think that it can be made accidentally provided all the ingredients are already in place. Similarly, you may also be free to think that it can't be made accidentally. But you can't really say that there is no proof behind my theory. How would you describe the similarities between the diary (CoS) and the scar?

Remember how Tom controlled Ginny. Voldemort controls Nagini in much the same way looking through her eyes. There is a strong suggestion that Nagini is/has a horcrux. How do you explain why Dumbledore had Harry study Occlumency if not in prevention of Vt gaining control over Harry?
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Ok, ok i will give you that.. no more arguing.. we will just have to find out in book 7..

The Diary contained a memory sorta.. the memory of Tom riddle. I dont really see any similarities between that and Harry's scar. Ok i give you that the scar does contain some of voldemort. Mostly just the Parsletongue. That was the power that voldemort transfered into harry. i dont think he transfered any parts of his soul.

The Diary Tom used to take over an inncent soul in this case Ginny Weasly.

In the book it said that Voldemort did try to take over Harry but was unsecessful and it hurt . i dont think that he will try to take him over because of that. He can't. i found it in the book... it says... "You have flitted into Lord Voldemort's without damage to yourself, but he cannot posses you without Mortal agony as he discoverd in the Ministry". (Harry Potter and the HBP page 511 Hard copy American)

With the Occlumency, Dumbledore made him try to learn it so that he would not have visions.. im pretty certin thats the reason and not becasue of voldemort trying to take him over
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Book 7 it is then.

But ask yourself this, which is worse: Harry having visions or Harry being possessed? Which one do you think he needed protecting from. Any way, I think you need to be really willing or very weak to be completely possessed. Harry fought Voldemort's possession which I think resulted in the pain.
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Harry being Possessed is worse of course. and i do think that voldemort did try to possess him but like it said in the book it hurt Voldemort to much. much of voldemort not being able to possess him was because of Love. Harry's mother died for him..

Harry being Possessed is worse of course. and i do think that voldemort did try to possess him but like it said in the book it hurt Voldemort to much. much of voldemort not being able to possess him was because of Love. Harry's mother died for him..
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I thought Vt kind of undid that love charm when he used Harry's blood to get reborn.

I just dont think Harry could be a Horcrux.. that takes to much concentration and magic.. besides when Voldemort went to go kill Harry that night on Oct. 31st he did not mean to transfer some of his powers to Harry. it was a mistake becasue he over looked the power of love. I dont think the scar is a Horcrux. its just to much of "what if" type of thing.

I bolded part of your thing up there because i wanted to make a point. Voldemort did not know about the scar being a connection right.. so how would he of made it a Horcrux.. i just dont see any proof that Harry's scar is one..
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I know that you have said repeatedly that you don't believe in the accidental horcrux theory. But the reason why Vt didn't know about the horcrux in Harry was, in my theory, because he did not intend it as such. The only thing that Vt really feared was death, nonexistance, and that fear had him going around making a number of horcruxes. I really don't think there was much of his own soul left in him when he went to the Potters house. Much of whatever was left was probably transfered to that scar. We don't really know what it takes to make a horcrux. So I may be free to think that it can be made accidentally provided all the ingredients are already in place. Similarly, you may also be free to think that it can't be made accidentally. But you can't really say that there is no proof behind my theory. How would you describe the similarities between the diary (CoS) and the scar?

Remember how Tom controlled Ginny. Voldemort controls Nagini in much the same way looking through her eyes. There is a strong suggestion that Nagini is/has a horcrux. How do you explain why Dumbledore had Harry study Occlumency if not in prevention of Vt gaining control over Harry?
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Ok, ok i will give you that.. no more arguing.. we will just have to find out in book 7..

The Diary contained a memory sorta.. the memory of Tom riddle. I dont really see any similarities between that and Harry's scar. Ok i give you that the scar does contain some of voldemort. Mostly just the Parsletongue. That was the power that voldemort transfered into harry. i dont think he transfered any parts of his soul.

The Diary Tom used to take over an inncent soul in this case Ginny Weasly.

In the book it said that Voldemort did try to take over Harry but was unsecessful and it hurt . i dont think that he will try to take him over because of that. He can't. i found it in the book... it says... "You have flitted into Lord Voldemort's without damage to yourself, but he cannot posses you without Mortal agony as he discoverd in the Ministry". (Harry Potter and the HBP page 511 Hard copy American)

With the Occlumency, Dumbledore made him try to learn it so that he would not have visions.. im pretty certin thats the reason and not becasue of voldemort trying to take him over
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Book 7 it is then.

But ask yourself this, which is worse: Harry having visions or Harry being possessed? Which one do you think he needed protecting from. Any way, I think you need to be really willing or very weak to be completely possessed. Harry fought Voldemort's possession which I think resulted in the pain.
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Harry being Possessed is worse of course. and i do think that voldemort did try to possess him but like it said in the book it hurt Voldemort to much. much of voldemort not being able to possess him was because of Love. Harry's mother died for him..
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yeah i guess that would be true.. but he still could not touch him. its in book 6.
(.but he cannot posses you without Mortal agony as he discoverd in the Ministry".) (Harry Potter and the HBP page 511 Hard copy American).. i dont know how or why.. and im just to tired to look it up right now...

harry christmas everyone