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I have been reading articles about Dumbledore being still alive. Now I am a believer. But this makes me think ...

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I have been reading articles about Dumbledore being still alive. Now I am a believer. But this makes me think about one ting I have not read that other people have notice or said, I did mention it in another post but since I have a changed mind about Snaps now I have a different theory I would like to share.

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You know when you see a movie again or read a book again things catch your eyes that didn't the first time. I am re-reading HP:OotP. I just notice that when Harry went into Snape's office for his first Occlumency Lesson, Snape was extracting his thoughts to put them in the Pensieve. Then, after the lesson Snape was scooping his thoughts out of the Pensieve with his wand and started to replace them back into his head. Does anyone know what he was hiding? [/b]
Now I have a different outlook, Is it possible the plan was in effect than and the memory that he was hiding from Harry was what they had plan. Is it possible that the whole order of the phoenix knows this also & being in the order cannot say it to anyone but other members.
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I have been reading articles about Dumbledore being still alive. Now I am a believer. But this makes me think about one ting I have not read that other people have notice or said, I did mention it in another post but since I have a changed mind about Snaps now I have a different theory I would like to share.

This is what I said in the previous post:

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You know when you see a movie again or read a book again things catch your eyes that didn't the first time. I am re-reading HP:OotP. I just notice that when Harry went into Snape's office for his first Occlumency Lesson, Snape was extracting his thoughts to put them in the Pensieve. Then, after the lesson Snape was scooping his thoughts out of the Pensieve with his wand and started to replace them back into his head. Does anyone know what he was hiding? [/b]
Now I have a different outlook, Is it possible the plan was in effect than and the memory that he was hiding from Harry was what they had plan. Is it possible that the whole order of the phoenix knows this also & being in the order cannot say it to anyone but other members.
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I don't know if the whole Order of the Phoenix would have been aware of the plan. For a start, Hagrid and McGonogal are shocked at the turn of events with Snape killing Dumbledore. Unless they were merely acting at it... but I don't think so. However, it's possible that it was a plan between just Snape and Dumbledore and that it was to be the top secret plan. Thus, requiring Snape to remove it when he was teaching Harry occlumency.
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I don't know if the whole Order of the Phoenix would have been aware of the plan. For a start, Hagrid and McGonogal are shocked at the turn of events with Snape killing Dumbledore. Unless they were merely acting at it... but I don't think so. However, it's possible that it was a plan between just Snape and Dumbledore and that it was to be the top secret plan. Thus, requiring Snape to remove it when he was teaching Harry occlumency.
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Based on the lessons in occlumency that we have seen in book 5, I don't think that Harry was good enough at it to get any detailed plans out of Snape's mind. Yes, he saw flashes of Snape's childhood, but nothing terribly cohesive. Nor was it anything that Snape wanted to keep secret. Remember if Snape can fool Voldemort or Dumbledor using occlumency, wouldn't it stand to reason he wouldn't have to safeguard information from a mediocre legilimens? This is part of the reason I think Snape meant him to find his "worst memory" in the pensieve.

I do not believe the rest of the Order had any idea about any plan. I'm not even sure they knew about the Horcruxes. And considering how much trouble they would be in if Voldemort got wind of their plans, I think only Snape, Harry and Dumbledor originally were informed. The fewer people who knew the Dumbledor's attach strategy, the safer they all are.
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..I don't think that Harry was good enough at it to get any detailed plans out of Snape's mind. Yes, he saw flashes of Snape's childhood, but nothing terribly cohesive. Nor was it anything that Snape wanted to keep secret. Remember if Snape can fool Voldemort or Dumbledor using occlumency, wouldn't it stand to reason he wouldn't have to safeguard information from a mediocre legilimens? This is part of the reason I think Snape meant him to find his "worst memory" in the pensieve.

I do not believe the rest of the Order had any idea about any plan. I'm not even sure they knew about the Horcruxes. And considering how much trouble they would be in if Voldemort got wind of their plans, I think only Snape, Harry and Dumbledor originally were informed. The fewer people who knew the Dumbledor's attach strategy, the safer they all are. [/b]
I agree.
There's something fishy about those three items in the pensive,
the Order knows nothing about the Plan, and
the Order knows nothing about the horcruxes.

Except that I don't see a reason to tell Snape about the horcruxes.
Slughorn might guess if he wanted to spend the time thinking about it, but he probably hasn't.
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Except that I don't see a reason to tell Snape about the horcruxes.
Slughorn might guess if he wanted to spend the time thinking about it, but he probably hasn't.
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Well, that all depends on what side you believe Snape to be on. If he is indeed loyal to Dumbledor, or perhaps more accurately Dumbledor really does completely trust him, then he would absolutely have to know about the Horcruxes simply because he would be a major part of finding them. He is a wonderful source of inside information. If you believe that Dumbledor really didn't trust him and he is working for Voldemort, then obviously Dumbledor is going to keep him in the dark.

There is one piece of evidence though that convinces me that Snape did know. When Dumbledor was injured, presumably destroying the ring, Snape was the one to prevent his demise. In fact, I think the text alludes that Snape is the only one familiar enough with dark magic to help. But then does the text specifically say that Dumbledor was injured destroying the ring, or was it that Dumbledor is just growing old and his reflexes have slowed, as Snape tells Bella in book six? I may just have to have a look-see.
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