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Year VII: Deathly Hallows Discuss, Why R.a.b. Could Be Regulus Black at The Restricted Section of the Library forum
Just a little something i found. Can't say i agree with everything on here, but let me know what ...

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Old 07-15-2006, 03:59 AM
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Just a little something i found. Can't say i agree with everything on here, but let me know what you think.


Is R.A.B. Regulus Black, Sirius's younger brother? Why?
1. His note addresses the Dark Lord a term used by Death Eater's. Regulus was a Death Eater who turned on Voldemort and was eventually destroyed by him or his followers.
2. The Death Eaters knew about the Horcruxes as Voldemort said in the graveyard in GOF to his Death Eaters: "And I asked myself, but how could they have believed I would not rise again? They, who knew the steps I took, long ago, to guard myself against mortal death?"
3. Regulus's middle name could be Alphard - named after his uncle. Other wizard characters are named after same gender family names like Harry James Potter and Tom Marvolo Riddle.
4. A locket that nobody could open was found at 12 Grimmauld Place and was discarded. It is thought either Kreacher took it with other items (Horcruxes) or perhaps Mundungus stole it.
5. Regulus removed the Horcrux with Kreacher who being an elf with limited magical powers was able to join Regulus in the one-wizard boat, but two people were required to drink the poison liquid. Regulus wrote "I" have stolen the real Horcrux, because he didn't respect his accomplice as an elf enough to be credit him.
6. Voldemort in Book 4 says of his death eaters. "There are 6 missing death eaters, 3 are dead, one too cowardly to return - he will pay (Karkorff?), one who has left me - he will be killed (Regulus) one who remains my faithful servant - he will re-enter my service (Snape?)."
7. The writer of the clue had to be dead given the way the message was written. Regulus was meant to have died the same year as HP's parents died, which was 16 years before the message was read. Yet, the message suggests the writer was aware of the prophecy that Voldemort would meet his match. Since Harry could command Kreacher, there were no living relatives of Sirius (such as Regulus) who could inherit #12 Grimmauld Place.
8. Why did Harry inherit #12 Grimmauld Place and Kreacher if they weren't going to feature in the final book?
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Old 07-15-2006, 11:22 AM
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These are some good points. If we were to take any guesses as to any of the known characters being RAB, Regulus would be my bet.
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Old 07-15-2006, 05:11 PM
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Hadn't Regulus been killed about fifteen years before OotP? At least that's what's indicated on the tapestry Harry sees at 12 Grimmauld Plae, just a few months after being in the graveyard with Voldemort.
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We covered most of this.
I think that the identy of R.A.B. as Regulus is pretty much established and accepted.
I can look for the old thread if you care.

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2. The Death Eaters knew about the Horcruxes as Voldemort said in the graveyard in GOF to his Death Eaters: "And I asked myself, but how could they have believed I would not rise again? They, who knew the steps I took, long ago, to guard myself against mortal death?"[/b]
I didn't get that from it.
How dumb would Voldemort have to be to go around bragging about the horcruxes?
I doubt that he told anyone, and certainly not one as insignificant as Regulus.
I figured "the steps I took, long ago" was a reference to a variety of experiments.

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6. Voldemort in Book 4 says of his death eaters. "There are 6 missing death eaters, 3 are dead, one too cowardly to return - he will pay (Karkorff?), one who has left me - he will be killed (Regulus) one who remains my faithful servant - he will re-enter my service (Snape?)." [/b]
Regulus was never important. Also, Voldemort believes him dead. (So do I.)
If he did survive, it is because someone helped him to hide from Voldemort.

Karkaroff was too cowardly to return.
Barty, Jr. was the faithful servant.
Snape was the one Voldemort feared had "left us forever."
This impression was corrected when Snape returned two hours later.

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7...the message suggests the writer was aware of the prophecy that Voldemort would meet his match. [/b]
I didn't see that in R.A.B.'s note.
The way it's all described, no one knew of the
prophecy but Dumbledore until he told Harry.
Now you've got me wondering who is managing the Hall of Prophecies, but that's another subject.

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8. Why did Harry inherit #12 Grimmauld Place and Kreacher if they weren't going to feature in the final book?[/b]
That's what I figured.
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I don't reckon RAB is referring to the prophecy in his note. He's just recognizing that eventually all tyrants do meet their match. Obviously he knew about the Horcrux there... but it seems to hint that he thought that was the only one, that in destroying that one he would bring Voldemort one step closer to being mortal again.
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Old 07-17-2006, 02:17 AM
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(Psyduck:How dumb would Voldemort have to be to go around bragging about the horcruxes?
I doubt that he told anyone, and certainly not one as insignificant as Regulus.)

I've realised that Voldy can't have told the Death Eaters about his secret cause in the note R.A.B. writes "It was I who discovered your secret."
Still not sure about the prophecy thing though. Snape heard part of the prophecy and he obviously told Voldy and possibly the other Death Eaters that there will be a match. But R.A.B. needn't have known about the prophecy, he may have just assumed Voldy will meet his match one day. after all, nothing is invinceable. Look at Dumbledore. Oh, but now you're gonna tell me, like so many others have done, that Dumbledore is not dead.

(6. Voldemort in Book 4 says of his death eaters. "There are 6 missing death eaters, 3 are dead, one too cowardly to return - he will pay (Karkorff?), one who has left me - he will be killed (Regulus) one who remains my faithful servant - he will re-enter my service (Snape?)." )

This is the part i didn't agree with most. I always thought it was like this:

-one who has left me - he will be killed (Snape- beause maybe Voldy didn't realise that he was still working for him, and maybe Snape hadn't decided until Voldy came back.) one who remains my faithful servant - he will re-enter my service (B. Crouch jr.)."

The reason I believe the one to be killed wasn't Regulus is because he died back when Voldy lost his powers, some 15 or 16 years ago, like what Arabella said.
Oh, i've just realised that you thought exactly the same Psyduck. Forgive me for not reading properly.
As for why Harry inherited Grimmauld Place, it doesn't necesarily mean it's going to feature strongly in the next book (i'm only pointing this out as a possibility by the way, it doesn't mean to say i don't agree that R.A.B. is Regulus), it could just be J.K.'s way of telling us what happened to it so as to avoid questions similar to those about how did Harry get the Marauder's Map back after GoF. Hope not.
I did actually see the thread on this Psyduck, but i didn't know that it had been decided that Regulus is R.A.B. All i found at the time was a load of people trying to convince each other and i haven't looked at it again since. You don't have to find it for me though. Thanks anyway!
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I really think that R.A.B. is Regulus Black, I mean, it only makes since.
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In that big interview, JKR said something like she expected a devoted reader to find one of the horcruxes within a matter of days. At least one of the horcruxes is easy. Gotta be the locket, which leads us to Sirius and Kreacher. Could be Riddle's trophy, but that doesn't seem as likely.
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Yes but Psyduck, it's the Groucho thing again. If we've thought of it, it's too obvious. Regulus as R.A.B makes complete sense...but it's all just too drats easy.
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I've always thought about that. Has anyone ever worked out something like this before and been right? I don't know 'cause i first came on here when book 6 went on sale.
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