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CONCERNING BILL. HP-6, page 613, Lupin said, "Those are cursed wounds..." "Dumbledore might know something that'...

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CONCERNING BILL.

HP-6, page 613, Lupin said, "Those are cursed wounds..."
"Dumbledore might know something that'd work, though," Ron said. "Where is he? Bill fought those maniacs on Dumbledore's orders, Dumbledore owes him, he can't leave him in this state --"


Ron is talking nonsense here, on several levels.

1) Bill is fine. Even Flur thinks so. They are still getting married, she prefers her stakes rare, and she is good-looking enough for them both.

2) What Ron did not know was that Dumbledore and Fawkes were both extremely busy at that moment. Also, He said, "Dumbledore MIGHT know something that'd work." We do not know that either of them could have done anything for Bill. Neither do we know that Fawkes will not drop in on Bill later.

3) Dumbledore did not invite the death eaters. Neither is he responsible for the existence of Voldemort. Those who contribute to this effort do so willingly, because they believe it is a worthy cause, not as a personal favor to Dumbledore. They knew the risks when they signed up.

HP-5, page 477, Sirius concerning Arthur, "Your father knew what he was getting into... there are thing worth dying for."

Bill himself will undoubtedly rejoin the effort as soon as he is able. He would not blame Dumbledore for any lasting effects.
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TWO DAYS after Dumbledore's "death."

HP-6, page 643, Hagrid carried him, "...wrapped in a purple velvet spangled with golden stars, was what HARRY KNEW to be Dumbledore's body... Hagrid SEEMED to have placed the body carefully upon the table." (Just like he knew that Mrs. Figg was a simple muggle.?)

Hagrid is worse than Harry -- he can not keep a secret to save his life. Had he known -- if he were in on the plot of Dumbledore faking his own death, he could not have made such a performance as he did at this "funeral." Hagrid certainly did not know that the Dumbledore he carried was alive. Neither is Hagrid "the sharpest knife in the drawer," while Dumbledore is a world-class illusionist. Hagrid could have carried the real Dumbledore and remained clueless.

Note that we do not actually see the body at all, let alone touch it, during or after the "funeral." A closed casket, at the funeral of someone like Dumbledore? I would not bet the ranch on that one. I am sure that what Hagrid carried was the real Dumbledore, but he was very much alive, no longer under the influence of the Drought of Living Death, well rested over the past couple of days, and preparing for his performance.

(HP-6, page 645) "Bright, white flames had erupted around Dumbledore's body and the table upon which it lay; higher and higher they rose, obscuring the body. White smoke spiraled into the air and made strange shapes: Harry thought, for one heart-stopping moment, that he saw a phoenix fly joyfully into the blue, but next second the fire had vanished. In its place was a white marble tomb, encasing Dumbledore's body and the table on which he had rested."

Interesting, that the fire should just light itself like that.

He could have made his vanishing act with the old Fawkes trick, or he could have simply disapperated. Yes, he could. Even within Hogwarts.

After a few days' rest, Dumbledore could have managed such special effects. He had used them all before. With style.
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THE EDITORS.
(See http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview.shtml)

That "already dead" paragraph is not in the UK / Australian version of Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince. Did the editors put these lines in or take these lines out? In either case, why?

The first people JKR talks to after she finishes a book are Emma, the UK editor, and Arthur, the American editor. They both see the new manuscript at the same time. They collaborate, bla, bla, bla, and “...we have arguments as well.” Maybe that is how those lines got lost; they just got their wires crossed.

The fact that it is only in the American edition suggests that the editors could not agree on something. Were they in disagreement and/or confusion because the paragraph was distracting or misleading, or was it because it gave too much away?

Either way, I submit that this paragraph already existed in the original manuscript, and that the debate was only over whether to keep it or ditch it. Someone wrote it, at sometime. I believe that JKR wrote it. It has to mean something.

They have certainly realized the error by now, but to make a big deal about the correction at this stage would be telling us too much. It would draw more attention to that section than she meant to. She obviously intended it to be a subtle clue. Better to leave it alone.
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PART FOURTEEN: THOSE WORTHLESS INTERVIEWS
(see http://www.mugglenet.com/jkrinterview.shtml)

"I don't think our Jo would mess about with death and greiving because it's personal with her -- her mum and all. Also, she was reported as being very sad, and crying because she had just bumped off a significant character." She's just playing with you. The truth is, she LOVES to "mess with death." The reserections of Peter and Barty Jr were the central to the plots of two (2) of her books, and the reserection of Voldemort is central to the plot of the entire series.

Whether JKR used this device in the seventh book remains to be seen but, still, SHE WROTE THOSE LINES "...we can hide you more completely than you can possibly imagine." It was on her mind. It was within the realm of possibilities in the world she created.

"JKR has referred to 'Snape's not bad' shippers as 'wishful thinkers.'" That's what you get for reading her interviews and taking them seriously. Stop listening to her. She's evil -- she said so herself.

Feel free to read those worthless interviews, but do not hope to find anything useful. You won't. She is not going to give you any more than she already has in the books. She will (and does) give background, clarify and, when she doesn't like a theory, "shut it down." That's it.

A) She will clarify things that the book already said, but some people didn't get. Things she wants you to know. Like Harry's choice concerning the prophesy; Dumbledore already explained it, but JKR felt the need to do it again. Or the relationships of Harry / Ginny and Ron / Hermione. She wants the reader to understand that these are the serious relationships and that the others were not important.

She will give background information that might be interesting, but contains no useful clues. “I'm never going to answer everything that an obsessive fan would want to know in the novels, and the Web site is another way of doing that.”

C) She will draw people back when they wander too far from reality, and "shut it down":

Re: Are Mrs. Longbottom's gum wrappers significant? Well, yes, to Neville. But no, Alice is not passing secret messages.
“...that's a classic example of, 'Lets just shut that one down,' because it doesn't really lead any where very interesting...”

Re: Will Peter Pettigrew’s Silver hand be used to kill Remus Lupin?
“Nice idea, clearly predicated on the legend that only a silver bullet can kill a werewolf, but incorrect.”

Re: Is the Soarting Hat a Horcrux?
“No, it isn’t. Horcruxes do not draw attention to themselves by singing in front of large audiences.”
(Then again, the Diary did. But we won't go into that here.)

“...it's when people devote hours of their time to proving that Snape is
a vampire that I feel it's time to step in, because there's really nothing
in the canon that supports that.”


That's it. She does not (has not, will not) answer any of the big spoiler questions or give any more clues. Frankly, she's given more than enough.

Re: Is Snape Evil? “What do YOU think?"
"I can't answer that question because it's a spoiler...”


Re: Was Dumbledore planning to die?
“...there are lines of speculation I don't want to shut down.”

Re: Was someone else was present in Godrick's Hollow that night?
Even her “no comment” is useless. She is not telling us anything.

JKR is not going to give us any more than she already has. If anything, she might be tempted to confuse us. She is having too much fun.
“Wishful thinkers?” “Delusional?” She’s just playing with you. Read the books again if you want more clues.

Strangest of all is the deafening silence surrounding the question of whether or not Dumbledore is alive. Her silences gives us no clues as to the plot of the seventh book. The silence does, however, show that she is not above such things. If she did not enjoy "messing with death," she would have "shut it down" by now.
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Uhh I'll be friends wit ya Wandgirl. And to Psyduck when did J.K. say she didn't like to mess around wit like death and that sort 'o thing. (Not that many people do cept murder mistery writers, but that's beside the piont.)
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JKR's mother died after the HP series began and someone did a story or an interview. I didn't read it. Anyway, a number of people use this as their main argument that Dumbledore can't come back.
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Wow, that is very well thought out lol but its just a detailed account of the line of thought most people have.
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Except that a lot of those details are my own originals.
Like using the time-turner.
or the fact that Harry could not scream on his first impulse...
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