Ch.23

This argument makes sense, but it doesn't feel right. Jo left us with some pretty definate ideas.

No.
Harry did not "knowingly kill a horcrux."
He didn't even know what they were.
He intended to destroy a memory.
And anyway, by destroying the diary he was defending himself, Ginny and the rest of the world.

No. Just no.

And anyway, "murder" is very specific.
Killing is not "murder" in a lot of situations,
like self-defense, police action using necessary or justifiable force, or war.
For someone like Voldemort, it's open season.

See, but there still is ALOT of work, even for just four horcruxes. First you have to find out what they are then where they are, and then actually get through all of the enchantments. Plus, they still have Fleur and Bill's wedding. And then-THE FINAL BATTLE WITH VOLDEMORT! YOu have to admit, that's alot of stuff in a book, especially since you have to put everything into words, and add some twists...bwahaha.....


But yeah, Voldemort's ugly because of all the ripping out his soul thing, but I think he would be even MORE ugly if he had ripped out more then....let's say...ten or something!

And it CAN't be murder, murder is where you mean to kill a person on purpose with usually anger, revenge, or something like that in your mind. And even though Harry does kind of have that, he's not a murderer, and Dumbledore knows it and said its because of his one special power over Voldemort, the power of love! Like he loves Ginny (even if it did take him five years to figure that one out)!

Good point .....but, there is always a but huh?......What was Harry thinking at the time he plunged the basalisk fang in the diary? To me he "meant to kill ; with intention ; and knowing, the memory of Tom.
I know by the books he didn't know it was a CRUX but he knew then that Tom was Voldy so, to me, It was an attentional act of ....shall I say MURDER?

Nope.
It was a memory.
And it was self-defense.

OTS why am I still a muggle I've been sortted?

Once you post more, you move up to a first-year.

I agree with Psyduck, it wasn't murder, it was purely self-defense

thank you on the muggle thing.
There is some loop hole in this horacrux thing and i'll find.
The truff "lol" is out there.

lol, Maybe you'll find something, but maybe there's nothing to be found....dun dun dun.....

You are great. I really enjoy reading your thoughts and you bring up some interesting stuff.

Murder isn't murder unless you mean to kill someone, however, our Jo never shrinks from the fact that Harry will either be a 'victim or a murderer'. I find this terminology really interesting 'cause I think Jo does not want us to glorify or trivialise the killing of anyone, anytime and in any way; NO-ONE deserves it!!
Does this mean that Harry is already a murderer because he has killed 1 seventh of a person?

My head's all a spin


About the horcruxes, I reckon the misssing one is Godric's sword because that would justify Voldy's visit to Dumby's office in the 6th bk. I can't see any other justification for this scene other than as a reference to the sword.

I'm sllloowwwwlllly, ever so ssssllllllllllllooooooooooowwwwllllyy, coming round to the idea of Harry being a horcrux because of the line in the 2nd when Dumby and Harry are talking about how H can speak parsletongue because Voldy must have transferred somethings when the curse backfired. Harry says:
'Voldemort put a bit of himself in me?'
'It certainly seems so.'
(CoS,p245,Aus/Br ed)

Gotta say (as much as I'd be turning over in my grave if I'd died 4 months ago) I'm beginning to see the hazy outline of the idea that Tom Ribble's trophy might be a hocrux because of all the other prophetic "tellings" of Ron throughout the books. For example,Ron said that the heir of Slytherin could well have received the school's Special Service's award for killing Myrtle (2nd), Krum was not to be trusted, that Harry will have a fight (soon after Ron fights with Harry) and that Percy was so ambitious that he wouldn't be surprised if he sold even his family out for the sake of his career (4th) and ... others I can't think of at the mo
Therefore, Ron mentioning the trophy may well be significant.
However, Jo's kinda used this reference to the trophy for the explicit and very important reason in CoS. It is difficult to believe that she'd rehash it just for this. The idea of Helga's cup is WAY more inticing!!

Nice thoughts Buffybuff.

But about the thing with harry being a horcrux, there's no way! In fact, in Chapter Twenty-Three, it specifically says Harry's not a horcrux. Thoguh he was going to be the last victim that was going to let Voldemort make more Horcruxes