The Argument

do u'll remember that in the 6th book hagrid talks about the argument between snape and dumbledore he overheard

what was the argument about?
pesonally i feel it was about dumbledore trying 2 convince snape 2 act as if he is killing him.
do u'll remember non verbal spells
may be snape has said avada kedavra but what if he is thinking about another spell


please tell me ur views

its important

Hmm, cool idea about the nonverbal spell and stuff, JK never did say what would happen if they did it at the same time.

But what spell could he have used to have said the killing curse out loud but still keep Dumbledore alive? *shakes head* Nope, I agree that the argument between Dumbledore and Snape was about Snape killing him when the time came, but I also believe that Dumbledore is dead dead.

I don't know. I think Snape is evil. The way he was acting towards Harry as he was running towards the gates was ghastly. I hate that....man...

If he is a man...

But yeah, I hated that too, but it also proves that he MIGHT be on our side, because he could have killed Harry at any time right then, you know what I mean?

Yeah but remember what he said to Bellatrix. He saved Harry from falling off the broom because VOLDEMORT wanted to kill him HIMSELF!!! I dont know....

i agree with ginnyweasleyrocks
maybe there was a lot of hatred in snape's face because he did not want 2 hurt dumbledore and i guess he has used some jinx in the non verbal spellss
also when harry was caught of using the rectumsempra spell by snape, snape knew that harry had his book becuse he was an accomplished legilimens and could read harry's mind also that spell was very bad and was carried out on his favorite student draco malfoy yet he gave harry only a couple of detentions.

pg 584/545)
It's interesting to note that things are happening so fast, even Harry is momentarily confused:
He could not understand how it happened -- Expelliarmus was not a Freezing Charm -- Then, by the light of the Mark, he saw Dumbledore's wand flying in an arc over the edge of the ramparts and understood... Dumbledore had wordlessly immobilzed Harry, and the second he had taken to perform this spell had cost him the chance of defending himself. (HBP pg 584/545)

Why did Dumbledore freeze Harry? Harry was already invisible to their attackers and in no danger.
The only explanation could be that Dumbledore already knew, had already planned, that he would die this night (or appear to die), and not only did he not want Harry to become involved and possibly be injured himself, he needed Harry to be a witness, to be able to tell everyone else what happened.

Dumbledore might have also promised Snape that he would make sure that Harry would not be able to interfere, knowing how Harry feels about Snape and what Snape was about to have to do.

The supposition that it was Dumbledore's plan to do this all along is supported by the fact that he acted so quickly to do it, almost without thinking, when Draco burst in on the scene.

Harry's own assumption that the Freezing Charm was done by Dumbledore is supported by the fact the curse lifted when Dumbledore left the tower minutes later.

I don't know...its just so hard to believe Snape is good not evil...

Every other time we've seen the Avada Kedavra performed, the victim simply falls over dead:

He was screaming so loudly that he never heard the words the thing in the chair spoke as it raised a wand. There was a flash of green light, a rushing sound, and Frank Bryce crumbled. He was dead before he hit the floor. (GoF pg 15/19)

From high above his head, he heard a high, cold voice say, "Kill the spare." A swishing noise and a second voice, which screeched the words to the night: "Avada Kedavra!" A blast of green light blazed through Harry's eyelids, and he heard something heavy fall to ground beside him. Cedric was lying spread-eagled on the ground beside him. He was dead. (GoF pg 638/553)

However, in Half-Blood Prince, when Snape curses Dumbledore with the same spell, Dumbledore violently flies up and away from the tower:

Snape raised his wand and pointed it directly at Dumbledore. "Avada Kedavra!" A jet of green light shot from the end of Snape's wand and hit Dumbledore squarely in the chest. Harry's scream of horror never left him; silently he was forced to watch as Dumbledore was blasted into the air. For a split second, he seemed to hang suspended beneath the shining skull, and then he slowly fell backward, like a great rag doll, over the battlements and out of sight. (HBP pg 596/556)

Why would this application of the Avada Kedavra be so different from every other time we've seen it?

Perhaps his spell was different because even though those were the words Snape said, he didn't perform the killing curse at all. Remember all the importance this book gave to "nonverbal" spells? Perhaps Snape said Avada Kedavra, but the curse he was really thinking, the nonverbal one, was a different curse, one that only made it appear that Dumbledore was dead.

The possibilty that Snape said one curse and cast another nonverbally might not be as likely if we couldn't recognize the curse that was really cast

I know what you mean, it is hard to believe after all these years. but then there's proof that's for it and against it, we'll just have to wait for the outcome. Though, it could be that the only reason Snape went along with all the plans was because he wanted to wait until Dumbledore was dead, and he even acted as if he were putting up a fight against Dumbledore when Dumbledore asked him to kill him during the "argument." See, there are SO many possibilities.