Harry Potter Stinks! I Hate It!

i agree that if RAB is reg black then it makes sence the kreacher would go with him and it also makes sence to me that the reason kreacher is so crazy is because he drank the potion.

but......

what i want to know is how did RAB know the horcrux was a locket because he either new it was a locket and took the fake replacement with him into the cave at the same time,

or he stole the horcrux then returned to replace it with the fake one.

now i know it sounds a bit stupid wondering weather he replaved it at the same time or after the fact. but it makes me wonder weather this RAB had a pensive or somthing aswel because it took dumbledore all this time plus slughorns memory to work it out properly and even if RAB was at one piont a death eater i still dont think that voldermort(sp?)
would ever tell anyone......
so how the hell did this RAB:

1. find out about the horcrux's
2. know where to look
3. have enough time to steal the horcrux then return to replace the it with the fake locket (because in the note in the locket i thought it said somthing like RAB would all ready be dead by the time vold finds that it has been stolen and if so then who was after RAB besides vold because vold couldnt have killed him because he's suposed to be dead long before vold even finds out that his horcrux gone)!

I think RAB's "I'll be dead before you read this" reference is about the fact that RAB knew that the poison would have killed him long before Voldy ever read the note. Nothing to do with anyone else killing him.

How did RAB find out...hmmm??? Dunno. MAYBE RAB overheard Voldy doing a horcrux creation spell and put two and teo togther. MAybe they got really drunk together one night and Voldy tolsd him/her all about it. MAYBE RAB and Voldy were lovers and V did a bit of pillow talk... now I'm being silly aren't I? So you question is an excellent one and I can't wait to hear others' theories and we'll try and figure it out together.

How did RAB find out where the horcrux was AND exactly what it was???? That's a real stumper. Gotta admit I never thought of this at all.
I reckon RAB knew it was a locket because the alternative -drinking the poison, discovering that the horcrux is a locket, escaping the infera, getting out of the cave, finding the nearest cheap jewelry shop, buying a locket, THEN, poisoned and stumbling through that cave and all it's trials again JUST to put a fake locket in the basin- is too silly! Naa. RAB MUST have known that THAT horcrux was the locket and come prepared with the fake and the note.
You are so right 100%, how did RAB get so much info??


Great points you've raised. Ta

Now that I've read all this, I'm not sure it is regulus anymore. It seems almost to logical for it to be him. JK usually surprises us. of course, the fact that it is logical could be the surprise. And stop ragging on poor kreacher; he's not crazy, just extremely loyal to the pure blood ideas of his mistress. I support SPEW

RAB doesn't HAVE to be Reggie but don't you rckon it makes sense. Remember that it's only to us HarryNuts that it all seems too obvious. Any normal person reading HP wouldn't have picked up on the aside mentions of Reggie.

If Reggie is RAB, I agree that Kreacher was there to aid him in the drinking of the poison because Dumby says -very pointedly- that a person could not beat those defences on their own AND the boat would not take more than one wizard. Dumby also says that wizards underestimate the young AND have undervalued other magical kinds (SPEW is right!!) which, I think, is kinda saying the same thing and leads to the fact that Voldy and his 'superior' Deatheaters will be deafeated by those they underestimate. Love, Harry and other magical creatures will/have all play a part in his downfall.

I do not think that kreacher drank the poison. Kreacher's insanity is a prduct of his environment and the way he has been treated his whole life not poison.


What do we want?
Spew
When do we want it?
bleeaaahhhhhh :P

BuffyBuff: [/quote]We did meet either Borgins or Burkes in the 6th when Malfoy is talking to him about the vanishing cabinet remember? (I'd go and get the book and check which one but it's too hot to move. Sorry) Therefore, at least one of them can't be 'B' we're looking for.

So glad everyone agrees that Kretcher had to have gone with Regulus to get the locket. They were my thoughts too. Why do we think Reggie was murdered though? Sirius (in the 5th) says that he thought reggie had got scared by something about being a Deatheater so ran away and got murdered. I don't think he was murdered but that he died of the poison swallowed (with Kretchers help) to get the locket.

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It was Borgin in the 6th book. Don't you lot read properly? And i've only read it once. Unbelievable.
I don't agree that Kreacher helped steal the locket.

Another smart azz. Just what this board needs.
You might try being civil. Or not.

s'anyway, why don't you think Kreacher helped?

Yes, it usually helps when you explain your reasonings as to why you do or do not support a given theory.

Anywho, back to the topic (nice lure btw ) I think that Reggie being RAB is definetely one of the most logical theories I have seen. But, Jo being Jo, I don't know if she would make it so simple. I definetely wouldn't see Borgin or Burkes being one who destroyed the Horcrux, but that's what would make it brilliant, see?

Well, all in all I think we will just have to wait and see... sadly. JKR has never been the type to be predicted.

Yeah. Alright seriously, you got me too with your tricky... well trick. I'm here to hear the rantings of a weirdo and instead I get logical thoughts that I can not argue against; thought we'd moved from chatroom to fight club but no. *disappointed sigh* heehee

We did meet either Borgins or Burkes in the 6th when Malfoy is talking to him about the vanishing cabinet remember? (I'd go and get the book and check which one but it's too hot to move. Sorry) Therefore, at least one of them can't be 'B' we're looking for.

So glad everyone agrees that Kretcher had to have gone with Regulus to get the locket. They were my thoughts too. Why do we think Reggie was murdered though? Sirius (in the 5th) says that he thought reggie had got scared by something about being a Deatheater so ran away and got murdered. I don't think he was murdered but that he died of the poison swallowed (with Kretchers help) to get the locket.

I'm presuming that the locket is in Kretcher's little nest in the cupboard with the boiler along with Col. Mustard and that bloodied lead pipe. (Sorry if this thought is 'yawn';'been there down that' but I've been away a long time visiting the 'normals' and am not up on the postings yet). Did Reggie have time to stop it from being a Horcrux before he died? Is that why they couldn't open it when they were tidying up the Black's house?- if it's the same locket of course. How do you stop it being a horcrux?? dumby forgot to relate that ratehr imprtant bit of info didn't he.

I think RAB is Reg but for the sake of a conversation, what do you think about Amelia Bones murder? Wasn't she the minister for underage magic?? What would the Death Eaters want with her? Maybe RAB has something to do with the Bones's???

Having a swing - with pike- onto a tangent, what do you reckon about Olivander being kidnapped? Is it just to find out about the 'brother wands can't fight against each other' thingo?? Pretty drastic action for a tit bit of info isn't it?
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hey what if voldemort murdered regulus because he deystroyed one of his horuxes and somehow found out?

Kreacher was really supportive of his owner's dark views. If he were to realise that Regulus was going against Voldemort, I doubt he would have helped him, never mind keep quiet about it. Then again, he could have been the one who tipped Voldy off. Who knows though, Regulus might not even be dead. No one knows for sure. Except Jo...

ONCE UPON A TIME:

NOW:
Pretty sure a House Elf can NOT defy a direct order from a master no matter their personal beliefs. Kreacher didn't want to follow Harry's orders so Harry made them very specific so Kreacher would HAVE NO CHOICE. Maybe this is a preamble to the Reggie/ Kreacher saga of the 'Capture of the Horcrux'?!!? I can see Kreacher being equally forced to accompany and help Reggie retrieve the horcrux and being sworn to not devulge any part of what took place -not that I think Reggie would have let him in on much anyway. Sirius made the mistake of underestimating what he said in order to hold a House Elf to their bonds (as did the Malfoys) Harry did not because he understood how serious the information Kreacher had, was. I think it reasonable that reggie knew as well as Harry, the inmportance of the inforamtion Kreacher had about the Horcrux, and bound him just as well as Harry did to keeping the secret.

It is really hard to believe that we have spent TOO much time getting to know the characters of House Elves, to know about the conditions under which they live, to see them play crucial roles in three books, then for them and their emancipation to not play a pivetal role!!!!!!