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Bill is fine. Even Flur thinks so....

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Old 02-13-2006, 08:49 AM
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Bill is fine.
Even Flur thinks so.
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Old 02-13-2006, 02:57 PM
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Wait, wait.

Death doesn't always have to have a point. Even in books. Sometimes the only point death makes is the hurt in people if they knew the person that died. JK might not have had any point added to Dumbledore's death.
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I'm feeling a little impassioned about this discussion I gotta say. I find it quite insulting that people should think that Dumbledore would allow Bill and his family to suffer because of... what.. some plan, that Dumbledore would think that he is SO necessary to the future that he has to drag everyone he loves through hell and that Dumbledore wouldn't be willing to sacrifice himself to save others/Harry.
Dumbledore's rants when he was taking the poison told us the depth of fear that Dumby felt at not being allowed to shoulder the pain for others, his desire to die so others can live, the idea that he would ... 'play' with them and that ideal , is ... so wrong!

If HP is about anything it's about struggle against bad, defending the good and the choices and sacrifices that are needed to do both. To deny Dumbledore his sacrifice is mean.

Dumbledore's death isn't about tricks or pain, it's a sacrifice for good, given in trust and in love.
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Old 02-16-2006, 05:04 AM
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A sacrifice for a good cause would be noble.
This one would be pointless.

And Bill will be fine.
Hell -- I've been through worse.
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Everyone knows that Bill's going to be fine.....unless there's something wrong with craving steak all the time...*shifts eyes*....I better leave then....*runs through the exit*

*runs back, breathing heavily* Oh, and if Dumbledore really did die, maybe he had a reason and it wasn't that pointless to him. *runs back through the exit as fast as can go*
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K. So I've read over these responses and I reckon there's one point (at least) that we TOTALLy disagree on and that's that Dumby is essential, even necessary. He isn't. It's Harry's story! No-one else but Harry and Voldy need or have to be there in the end. I think that Jo has made it clear that to 'talk the brave talk' when you know that there's someone out there who might jump in and fight your battles for you, is a different kinda bravery than when you truly 'walk the walk': when there's no-one else but you against your foe and you go in fighting.
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*nods to BuffyBuff* I completely agree. I think that we all recognize that Harry's going have to be the whole hero in the end, even without Dumbledore.
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Old 02-21-2006, 05:12 PM
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...one point (at least) that we TOTALLY disagree on and that's that Dumby is essential, even necessary. He isn't. It's Harry's story! No-one else but Harry and Voldy need or have to be there in the end... [/b]
I never said that Dumbledore needs to be there for Harry when he
faces Voldemort for the last time. That's still no reason to kill him.
It's all set up. Jo can easily get him out of the way for the big
moment, and still use him for the tricky little side moves (like the rook).
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Old 02-22-2006, 05:46 PM
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Hmm, nice analogy, it's like a giant game of wizard's chess!!!!

Wow, what a way to live.
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The first time I read the 'Dumby dies' scene I ran towards all those pheonix/ he isn't really dead/denial theories too but... mate.. sorry.. he is dead. Jo wouldn't mess around with death i reckon; dead is dead. You grieve for the rest of your life but you cannot bring them back. I think the whole pheonix shape rising from the pyre and the pheonix song, all the pheonix references, are more about hope rising from the ashes rather than Dumbledore rising from the ashes. Harry is hope not Dumbledore.
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okay okay first of all shes messed with peter petirgrews death...i have my feelings leaning toawards dumbee is still alive.. but then again like jk wrote the mer people and cenetaurs gave their respect.. i dont think hed do that to every1... but idk... but i do beleive sirius is dead.. he fell through the veil in book 5... i think thats sort of a keeping place or something for people.. so idk...and also JK definitly points towards this in 5th book... at the end of it harry tries the mirror sirius gave him... of course he doesnt answer.. but now... remember how he used it with james and lupin in hogwarts? well they used nick names.. (padfoot) so i think if harry said padfoot it would lead him to him.. that is if he had the mirror when he went through the viel...
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