But Wait! Theres More! Clues, That Is.

Don't mean to be rude but I'm posting this to get psyduck's attention because it ties in with a discussion a few of us were having on another htread... just getting it up there.... Have to fight the pointless, boring posts from other sites (HPANA, Leakey Culdron etc) flooding this site

She also "messed with death" for Barty Jr.
Can it be that you're not a Lord of the Rings fan, either? Gandolph's return was a classic.

Harry's Mother's death had a big impact on the plot of HP.

I think Dumbledore's still alive because it makes too much sense.
Because it's his style. And you can't deny, he's got style.
In books One, Four and Five, Dumbledore showed up at the last minute to help.
(1-Quirrel would have killed Harry; 4-Barty Jr would have killed Harry; 5-Voldemort would have killed Harry.)
Then again, in book Two, Dumbledore never made it. Still, Harry had Fawks.

I have a feeling this is going nowhere.
How about if we just wait a couple years, read the last book,
and you can say, "I told ya so." My junk mail is Tttahiti@hotmail.com

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GENIUS!!! I would have never came up with that!

I had kinda leaned that Dumbledore was dead--- but i do believe i am middle of the road again-- not sure what to think-- to many diffrent foreshadows leading to diffrent conclusions-- wow my Language Arts teacher would be proud--LOL

Seriously's story works for me.
It was planned, and what kind of lunatic would plan his own death when he could fake it?
Unless youse guys are suggesting that Dumbledore lacks the skills or smarts?

ginevra: missed you welcome home

I love the idea that Dumbledore is alive and waiting in the wings to jump out and make everything better. Just as I love the idea that my dad will wear his old jumpers again for just long enough to give them that lovable, comforting, 'his' smell again but... naa. Dumby, like me' Da -and Jo's mum- are dead.

When i was in the 'Dumby CAN'T Be DEAD!' band wagon, I read and argued the Gandaulf-esque line but as Jo has argued against LotR and Star Wars comaprisons added to the fact that there is a portrait of Dumby in the headmasters' office AND the headmasters' office let McGonagall in -these things would not have happened for anything less than Dumby dying- AND I reckon it's crucial that HARRY (with no one else to protect him) meets Voldemort in the final battle, I gotta believe that the worst has happened and Dumby is indeed dead.

The hero HAS to do it on their own. It's a rule! Even Froddo had to tell Sam to back off; Buffy the Vampire Slayer is ALWAYS alone no matter how many friends she has with her along the way; Harry has to have no-one else to defend him, no-one waiting in the wings to jump out and make everything better, Jo makes that really clear I reckon.

Fawke's tears can heal but nothing in the magical world can bring a person back from death- ''person" as opposed to inferi or zombie. (Still don't understand why Fawkes didn't help Bill!!)

Here's a rambling thought, -kinda ties in with the 'time turner' discussion too- Bill had to stay hurt just as Dumby has to stay dead because more good will come of it... ??

Fawkes was busy mourning the death of Dumbledore. But you bring up a good point. All through out the books, JK has been practically been writing that Harry will have to do the actual defeating on his own, but he'll have a 100% back-up from his friends. Of course, his friends won't be able to help him in the final duel, but he'll still know that they're there for him.

You know, I bet you some one is going to remind Harry of the locket that they found at the Black's house, and then they're going to be going after that object first. And then Harry will tie together the R.A.B thing, and will think that it was Sirius' brother.Odd how these things work out, isn't it?

Hello GWR

The Fawkes thingo still has me mift because isn't he meant to respond to loyalty towards Dumbledore and we have Ron saying 'Bill was fighting for Dumbledore, so where is he ' (paraphrasing) and Fawkes STILL doesn't hear the cry for desperate help???!! Dumbledore would NEVER have left such a debt unpaid no matter how busy he was at the time therefore Fawkes shouldn't have either. But, as I've said somewhere else, the point is more that there is something to be gained from Bill's scars (Mrs Weasley's acceptance of Fleur for one) so we have to let it roll. (Just as there is something to be gained by Dumbledore's death as I also said many times before, but I digress.)

I'm with you GWR. Others will help Harry but in the end it has to be him alone against Voldy. It is Harry's story after all.

I think you're right about the locket because the whole 'Sirius tells us about his bro' AND the 'found a locket that wouldn't open' things were dealt with WAY too cooly in the book- planting the clues!

Then again, even when we think we know her so well, Jo still manages to surprise.. For now, I agree with you GWR

Hi BuffyBuff!

And I see what you mean on the whole Fawkes thing. I would have thought also that he would have been there when needed, yet he wasn't. It makes no sense, unless, one of the theories I've read on here says that Fawkes was part of Dumbledore's "dying plan". Personally, I don't think that's quite it because why else would Fawkes have been roaming the halls singing his song? I think Fawkes is going to have a big part in the seventh book like he did in the second, mostly because I think Fawkes has a reason for not being there to help Bill.

Of course Harry needs to do it alone. No surprise there. Just like he needs to catch the snitch alone. Still, having a couple beaters on the side couldn't hurt.

Bill's scar is no big deal. The wedding will go on as planned, and he will be fine.
Fawks was too busy helping Dumbledore for something as trivial as Bill's injuries.

Voldemort's BELIEF that Dumbledore is dead would be a very good thing.
Nothing would be gained by Dumbledore's actual death.

Guess what, I'm gonna disagree with you on this point -who'd have thought huh!
It's a slight on the memory of the dearly DEPARTED Dumbledore for you to suggest that he would ever put any plan of his own above the safety of his friends. Therefore, I can never believe that Dumbledore would allow his alleged "get away" to take precidence over Bill's health!