Snape Is Not Voldemort's Man

What about the Life-Debt?

What about the Life-Debt?
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You mean Snape owing a life-debt to James? What about it?

I think it was in the first book that Dumbledore said
James did something Snape could never forgive --
he saved his life.

Later, in the shrieking shack, Lupin told the tale
about Sirius' "trick," and that James stopped him.

JKR did not use the phrase, "life debt."
I'm not convinced that this one really counts.

And even if it really was a life-debt, what does that matter? James is dead now.

Hi, can i just introduce one point: throughout the ntire series, especsially in the sixth book, Dd cant stress enough to harry that everyone has their weaknesses. voldemorts, for instance, not understanding the power of love and maybe Dd's is that he is TOO trustworthy. that would explain why his last words were him pleading with snape, it shows him at a point at which his weakness has been discovered and used to undo him.

any thoughts???

No.
I've always seen that as one of the biggest clues.
Dumbledore may be capable of error,
but he is not capable of begging for his life.

What he was pleading for is debatable, but no way would he go out that way.
I could never forgive JKR if she lets him end it like that.

Harry's Secret Brother,


That's a really good theory! Really good! One of the better explanations of the "Severus please" line that I've heard.

But . . .

If Dumbledore was realizing at that moment that he had misplaced his trust in Snape then how does the Snape/Dumbledore conversation that Hagrid overheard fit into your theory? If I remember correctly, Snape was telling Dumbledore that he didn't want to do "IT" anymore or he had changed his mind or something of that sort, and Dumbledore told him that he had promised and he would do it and that was that. Basically anyways (definitely not verbatim).


Anyway, I am interested to hear how this fits into your theory. As I have said before, I LOVE to debate so please don't take my last sentence as sarcasm! I am wide open to anyone's interpretation of HP.



Psyduck,

I tend to think like you do, that Dumbledore would not beg for his life like that! But, Harry does put a lot of stock into Dumbledore being the "Greatest Wizard of All Times" and JK could be showing Harry that even the "Greatest Wizard of All Times" has a weakness, and Harry does already suspect that Dumbledore trusts when he shouldn't.

But . . .


I think that Harry learned to trust Dumbledore's opinion of people more after he found out that Dumbledore never really trusted Tom Riddle and always kept an eye on him. I also think as I think you do, that JK would not let such an intregal strong character go out with a poof and not a BANG!

But, my reasoning is a little different I think because my opinion is that Dumbledore is dead but that the "Severus please" plead was Dumbledore pretty much begging Snape to go ahead with the plan because Malfoy was in danger if Snape didn't do it.

But then again, the overheard conversation that Hagrid told Harry about could be something along the lines of Dumbledore telling Snape to either prepare a special potion to stop death or some sort of charm to help when Malfoy came to kill Dumbledore, and when the end came Dumbledore was begging Snape to stick to the prearranged sequeince of events but Snape killed him instead. I really don't think this is the correct theory but it could happen. It still leaves Dumbledore begging for his life though and I just don't think that's a viable option.

This did make me think about another possible side to this plot. It could be revealed that Dumbledore orchestrated his own death for the greater good. This is something that Harry needed to experience and understand because I think that Harry will be faced with this same choice in the end. Ever the teacher, Dumbledore killed 2 birds with one stone. Protected Malfoy and showed Harry what sacrifice is.

I don't know, what do you think?

Right so i've read eveyones thoeries and have come up with a sort of mixture

Dd knew about the plot and he and snape had a plan so that lord voldemort would think Dd was dead.

this brings us to the top of the astronemy tower, the culmination of the plan, snape shouts "Avada Kedavra" just after he has non-verbally performed another curse. thus making the surrounding death eaters think he has killed Dd. Dd then falls back and drops down of the tower, still alive, somehow cusioning the landing. If you remember the person who removed Dd's body was hagrid. Say he was in on the plan and had instructions to switch the bodies for a fake one. Dd can then escape and the fake one is then buried, again an elaborate charade so that people beleive he is dead. So we presume he is in hiding and as is said in book five, (haven't got it to hand so not an accurate quote) "i examined him for his transfiguration OWL, did things with a wand i've never seen before. If dumbledore doesn't want to be found, he won't be" Owl Examiner

thats my idea, any thoughts????

either that or he is dead and were all just in a severe case of denial

*Harry's secret Brother*

Both theories are good. Except...

I've said somewhere before that Dumbledore is not crazy enough to kill himself and,
more importantly, that I don't want to believe that JKR would glorify suicide in a children's book.

Good, except that Hagrid couldn't keep a secret to save his life.
He could not have put on such a performance as he did
at the funeral if he knew that Dumbledore was alive.
I believe that Dumbledore or Snape placed an illusion on Hagrid.

okay...not really thought about that... ....here we go.....the IT you qoute could be snape working as the double agent....HA!....only joking


good point psyduck, and after reading you in depth explaination of what happened atop the astronemy tower i must concur and profess to agreeing with u