Snape Is Not Voldemort's Man

wow......i didn't go through all of the web site yet............but ......it makes a LOT sense so far ........THANKSS

Hello!

Its been pretty slow in this thread huh? Well, I just got through reading the whole series again and I found something that makes me lean a little more towards thinking that Dumbledore is NOT dead.

I was specifically looking for instances of the Avada Kedavra curse to make comparisons. In every single instance mentioned in every book written thus far, the killing curse DOES NOT make the person fly up in the air. Green light is in all the other instances and the sound is described as a whooshing or rushing sound but, not in one single instance does the victim fly up in the air except Dumbledore. The others simply crumple to the floor or are described as sounding like a heavy weight hitting the ground as in Cedric's case.

Then to add to the confusion of "is he dead / is he alive" you have the scene where Umbridge and accomplices are "asking" Hargid to leave the school. A fight insues and McGonagall comes out to help Hagrid and is hit by no less than 4 stunning spells. It is described as such "...the red beams collided with her. For a moment she looked luminous, illuminated by an eerie red glow, then was LIFTED RIGHT OFF HER FEET, landed hard on her back, and moved no more." Aside from the color of the spell not much is different between hers and Dumbledore's reations to the spells.

I am positive that JK would not forget that the killing curse causes the person to crumple and not fly seeing as how she took the time to describe for us the effects of the curse soo many times. Now it is possible that there is an explanation for this difference like Snape was sooo powerful that it reflected in his spell, but I think not. I think JK described the effects too many times for it not to mean something in the end.

I also think that when Mad-Eye tells his class that they could all yell the killing curse at him and he wouldn't get so much as a nose bleed or when Bella tells Harry "you need to mean them" (unforgivable curses)"you need to really want to cause pain -to enjoy it -righteous anger won't hurt me for long" , I think these are hints for us to catch.

Then there's the fact that Snape doesn't need to speak to cast a spell. He's a master at non-verbal spell casting. So why did he feel the need to verbalize this spell. I think its because he had an audience. No one there could doubt what spell he used. They heard him! So if rumors started flying that so and so heard Dumbledore was alive or so and so thought they saw Dumbledore, all of those Death Eaters would be able to truthfully tell Voldemort that they saw and heard Snape kill Dumbledore with the Avada Kedavra curse. But we all know its what's in the heart that matters when casting spells.

So the look of hatred and disgust that was on Snape's face at the time was or could have been hatred and disgust for what he had to do. I mean I would be hating the fact that almost everyone in the Wizarding World was fixing to be hunting me down trying to kill me because they thought I'd just killed the greatest wizard ever. Or he could have been thinking of the lowly life he was going to have to subject himself to because of this act he had to do. I mean he's gonna have to be in hiding with Death Eaters and be Voldemort's sevant. By killing Dumbledore Snape should be honored above all others but Snape knows the real Voldemort and he DOESN'T ever reward very good does he? Aside from not killing him, Peter, got a silver hand out of helping bring Voldemort back to his body???? Whoopie! Then Voldemort sent him to live with Snape! Oh sign me up, the benefits are outstanding!

I know there's probably some big point I'm forgetting right now but I have to close, gotta get the kids in the bed!

Someone, anyone write and let me know your thoughts on this!

Thanks!

I would really like to believe that Dumbledore is alive and Snape is a good guy...... but just before Snape kills him, JK decsribes how Snape has hatred etched into his face. :( Theres no way to explain how Snape is still a good guy.....

Well, I'm done.
It took me a while, but now I am sure.
It all makes perfect sense.
There's nothing left to explain.

Dumbledore is alive, and Snape is a good-guy.

TeenLeigh,
You did a good job on every thing you mentioned. There are a few thing that I want to mention also. First off, when Harry started to run inside to get snape at the end, Dumbledore froze him. He could have just let him leave before malfoy left but he didnt. I think that he didnt want harry to take action when malfoy and snape came.
I also remembered when Hagrid was carrying dumbledore to his grave, all JKR said was that harry saw a bundle of robes. He just assumed that it was dumbledore. Then at the end something(I cant remember what) that looked like a pheonix went out of the tomb. it looked like a patronus which could be the shape of dumbledores patronus.maybe a sign to harry?

well, i hope my thoughts arent confusing.

I'm with you, mostly.

But no, it was not a sign to Harry.
He's an open book.
As soon as Harry knows, or even suspects, Voldemort will know.
Harry must be kept in the dark. Again.

And not Hagrid, either. He can't keep a secret to save his life.
He could not have carried an empty bundle of robes
and faked such a performance at the funeral.

I personally think Dumbledore is dead. It saddens me incredibly to say it but thats my opinion. I think DUmbledore wanted Snape to kill him.

Harrylvr,

Thanks for writing , I was beginning to think no one cared about Harry anymore! Just kidding!

I have a passage for you from Half-Blood Prince if you care to hear it! It explains Snape's look of hatred and revulsion or it did for me anyway.

Okay, on page 571 JK writes "Hating himself, repulsed by what he was doing, Harry forced the goblet back toward Dumbledore's mouth and tipped it. so that Dumbledore drank the remainder of the potion inside."

Now, if you read page 595 JK writes "Snape gazed for a moment at Dumbledore, and there was revulsion and hatred in the harsh lines of his face."

I do not believe that JK would describe these two instances so much alike if she didn't want us to pick up on it.

You see, both Harry and Snape hated having to do what they knew had to be done and both were repulsed or revolted by the very act they were caring out.

At least that is my opinion on the matter.

I also think that Dumbledore took Harry with him to find the Horcrux in order to show him that sometimes people must obey an order even if they don't want to. To me it was like Dumbledore was giving Harry a clue by telling him he must obey every command he gave him even if he didn't want to. Like he was trying to show Harry what Snape must feel like knowing what he had to do.

I don't think my idea is coming across as clear as it is in my head, but I hope you get the picture!

Thanks for writing in and hope to hear from you soon,

tigerlovesharry,

"He just assumed that it was dumbledore"

I had a funny comment my grandmother always said when we would assume things...

TO ASSUME MAKES AN

ME

I guess it could be said that Harry is an a*s*s* for assuming that it was Dumbledore's body in the robes. Just thought that was funny!

I still say that Hagrid could not keep such a secret to save his life.
He could not have carried an empty bundle of robes
and faked such a performance at the funeral.

Who could have tricked Hagrid into believing that he was carrying Dumbledore, and how?