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Year VI: Half Blood Prince Discuss, The Real Horcuxes at Books: The Restricted Section of the Library forum
Originally posted by DragonTounge@Jul 30 2005, 09:57 PM I do not think that nagini can be a horcrux ...

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Old 08-01-2005, 06:19 PM
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I do not think that nagini can be a horcrux because i dont tyhink you can put your soul into something that already has one.
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It has already been established in the book that nagini is a possibility. That fact aside, why not? It seems to make more sense to be able to put a piece of soul into something that already has one, than to put a soul into something that doesn't. Also, how does a snake have a soul. Only people have souls. Not animals. So if taken from your stand point, it makes perfect sense.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:26 PM
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I do not think that nagini can be a horcrux because i dont tyhink you can put your soul into something that already has one.
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It has already been established in the book that nagini is a possibility. That fact aside, why not? It seems to make more sense to be able to put a piece of soul into something that already has one, than to put a soul into something that doesn't. Also, how does a snake have a soul. Only people have souls. Not animals. So if taken from your stand point, it makes perfect sense.
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And don't forget that Harry was also "inside" Nagini's head, in the fifth book, which would mean that Nagini has a part of Voldemort's soul stored inside of her. So if there was not a part of Voldemort in Nagini, Harry wouldn't have been able to see what the snake was seeing, for Harry is only bonded to Voldemort, and has nothing to do with the snake by itself.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:35 PM
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Hey, I have a little theory... not really bright, but yes quite interesting, ... "Godric's Hollow" means (literally) "Godric's valley between mountains" (lol), but 'hollow' also means "a cavity or space in something"... couldn't it be possible for Godric Gryffindor's object to be in that little town?? What do you think??
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And don't forget that Harry was also "inside" Nagini's head, in the fifth book, which would mean that Nagini has a part of Voldemort's soul stored inside of her. So if there was not a part of Voldemort in Nagini, Harry wouldn't have been able to see what the snake was seeing, for Harry is only bonded to Voldemort, and has nothing to do with the snake by itself.
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I totally agree with you. I'm 100% sure that Nagini IS a horcrux. If it weren't, as you said, Harry would have never been able to see what the snake was doing.

The last horcrux must be something of Gryffindor or Ravenclaw, and I'm sure it's not at Hogwarts, otherwise Dumbledore would have realized about it being there.
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Old 08-03-2005, 09:53 PM
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I totally agree with you. I'm 100% sure that Nagini IS a horcrux. If it weren't, as you said, Harry would have never been able to see what the snake was doing.

The last horcrux must be something of Gryffindor or Ravenclaw, and I'm sure it's not at Hogwarts, otherwise Dumbledore would have realized about it being there.
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Yup, that's true, I don't think it is at Hogwarts either
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:06 AM
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No, the list Dumbledore gave is as follows:
1. The diary (destroyed)
2. The S. ring (destroyed)
3. The S. locket (whereabouts unknown, note below)
4. The H. cup (whereabouts unknown)
5. Nagini (with Voldemort)
6. The horcrux in question, (Dumbledore suggested it might be an item from either Griffindor or Ravenclaw)
7. The piece of soul left in Voldemort

Harry said he felt like he needed to go to Godrics Hollow because it is where it all started for him and he felt like that is where he should start on his quest (HBP pg 650). Dumbledore did not tell him he needed to go there. I know he did not know he was going to get the award, but after he got it, he would have thought it was very special. Now, Dumbledore said that he thought Riddle was looking for another object when he came asking for a job(HBP pg 505). We have no way of knowing how long he had to cast the spell after commiting a murder, but if he had just rescently killed someone, he might have been ready to create a horcrux, and perfomed the spell on his way out, settling for the trophy. Or, he might have come for the trophy all along and created the horcrux befor or after the meeting with Dumbledore. Plus, the book does not say that a murder must be commited with the intention of creating a horcrux in order for it to count. It only says that commiting such an act splits the soul (HBP pg 49, and then once split, a piece can be placed in an object creating a horcrux, possibly giving as long as he wanted to find a suitable object.

As far as Myrtle goes, how is commanding the basilisk to kill muggles any different than say shooting a wild spell into a crowd? No matter who the victim ends up being, it's still murder. The basilisk was merely the weapon he used. I think, however, that hers was the death that gave him the piece of soul for the diary.

I don't think there would have been any spells cast to prevent horcruxes being formed. That would imply that they were worried about the possibility of it happening. If they were to go that far, there would have been spelles to stop most of the stuff that Harry, Ron and Hermione did, like making the polyjuice potion or to keep students from jinksing each other. As it is, the protective spell are increased as the possible danger increases. They are not there all the time for every possible thing that might happen. And until they got the real memory from Slughorn, he was the only one who knew that anyone at Hogwarts would even consider it.

Finally, what better place to keep such an item than under the protection of Dumbledore himself. It's a slap in Dumbledore's face to leave it with him.
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u guys take everything dumblredore said as true he never gave us a stinkin list!!!!
theres enough evidence 4 harry nagini the locket and the riddle book every thing else is complete guess work
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Old 08-04-2005, 06:37 AM
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intresting... i dont get any of this really... if you could explain plz mail me... or email me...
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I believe Nangini may be one of them but I also think of Nangini as a pawn in Voldermorts plans kind of like the Basilisk was, that he had complete control over since it was a snake. It makes me pause and wonder about it.
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I believe Nangini may be one of them but I also think of Nangini as a pawn in Voldermorts plans kind of like the Basilisk was, that he had complete control over since it was a snake. It makes me pause and wonder about it.
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thats a good thought. maybe its both?
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Old 08-04-2005, 04:28 PM
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just one more question. the horcruxes that dumbledore discovered so far seem to be highly protected with some form of dark magic , so if the trophy really is a horcrux then why did voldermort put nothing to protect it? because it was in the school and would be protected? because ron touched it and didn't get hurt.
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