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Year VI: Half Blood Prince Discuss, Snape Teaching Til The End (spoiler Warning) at Books: The Restricted Section of the Library forum
Originally posted by The Half Blood Prince@Aug 3 2005, 03:20 PM i think snape was disgusted with himself ...

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Old 08-12-2005, 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by The Half Blood Prince@Aug 3 2005, 03:20 PM
i think snape was disgusted with himself for killing dumbledore so thats why there was a look of hatred on his face.i.e. he hated himself for killing DD.
and also when harry called* snape a coward then snape let out a painful yelp meaning he hated what he had done and harry had no idea what guts it took for snape to kill dd
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Old 08-12-2005, 09:13 PM
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It seems to me everyone is making good points but I am wondering if anyone noticed that right before Snape arrived DD was telling Malfoy that he could make it appear he had died. Then Snape arrives and "kills" him. As for the original question about Snape not attacking back I trully don't believe he is bad. I believe he was trying to help Harry's duelling skills. I believe he was also helping Malfoy to escape the death-eaters.

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I think Snape didn't attack Harry at the end, because he knows Voldemort wants to be the one to kill him. When one of the Death Eaters gets Harry from behind with the Crutiatus curse, Snape lifts the curse from Harry, while telling the Death Eater to leave him alone for the Dark Lord to deal with him.
So, no, I think Snape was merely taunting him.
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Mabey Snape's reason was not so that L.V. could kill Harry, but so that Harry would be able to kill L.V. L.V. would love for Harry to be dead. With Harry dead, L.V. would be all powerful. Only Harry has the power to kill L.V.
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Old 08-12-2005, 09:30 PM
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so many questions...
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Old 08-14-2005, 10:54 AM
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p. 302 Malfoy and Snape are having an argument. Snape is almost begging Malfoy to tell him his plans... He is a spy for Dumbledore!

p.380 Hagrid has overheard Dubledore and Snape arguing. "Well I jus' heard Snape Sayin'Dumbledore took too much for granted an'maybe Snape didn't want to do it anymore(...)it soudend like Snape was feeling a bit overworked(..)Dumbledore told him flat out he'd agreed to do it and that wass all there was to it(..)"he was quite frim with him.

I think this is why Snape had hatred on his face. He had to do something he didn't want to do.

Here's another theory. Snape isn't all that bad, but he has to look an act a very bad person, so he can convince lord voldemort of his bad intensions. I think he hates the fact that James and Sirius were popular all along and he has to pretend he is a dark wizard. So he still isn't very popular. Now he has to fulfill this task he knows he will never be loved by the people he wants to belong to. Dumbledore was the only one who knew he was a good person and now he had to kill him.
I think he's mad with Dumbledore for always having to do the dirty work... What do you think about that?

p.380 also said that Snape had to do some investigations in Slytherin House. I think that was because Dumbledore wanted to know how and when Malfoy was going to do this... But Malfoy never wanted to tell Snape. Because he didn't trust him...

And finally; remember Dumbledore said: "there are worst things than dying.." I think he got himself killed to save Malfoy and Snape and that he was pleading Snape to do it quickly, because if one of the other death eaters would do it, Snape and Malfoy would have been killed..
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some body sed snape wouldnt have a look of hatrid on his face while killing DD if it was on orders
ok i think that if you look back to when harry was pouring the potion into DD mouth he had hatrid for himself but it doest say if he had an expression of hate, now i was thinking he may have had the look of hatrid because he hated himself for doing that. what do youi think?
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Old 08-15-2005, 09:39 AM
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some body sed snape wouldnt have a look of hatrid on his face while killing DD if it was on orders
ok i think that if you look back to when harry was pouring the potion into DD mouth he had hatrid for himself but it doest say if he had an expression of hate, now i was thinking he may have had the look of hatrid because he hated himself for doing that. what do youi think?
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Old 08-16-2005, 03:05 PM
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I think snape was a double agent and he didnot attack harry because his unbreakable vow was to protect malfoy and harry was not harming Draco . Dunno
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Old 08-18-2005, 02:53 PM
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I would believe it possible for DD to come back if only he wasn't so weak at the time of his murder and if Snape hadn't used the Avada Kedavra curse to blast him with and if he hadn't fallen. As it is DD is indeed a gonner.

With all due respect to everyone in here I think that readers today are rather spoiled in that in our literature we usually, almost always get our favorite characters returned to us from the grave after they've been killed. For example Spock, Gandalf, and many others. Everyone wanted and thought that Sirius Black would return too. But he didn't. It would rather ruin the image, that J.K. has worked so hard to build and cultivate, of Voldemort and the Death Eaters as powerful mysterious and evil if DD came back. They would be more of a joke and would be percieved as the gang that can't shoot straight. They would be seen more as Mr. McGoo gone evil.*

And oh by the way I thought it just a tad sub par of J.K. to end DD pleading for his life. I would have thought an end more befitting for the character would have been for DD to say "Wait, before you kill me..." and then DD would straighten himself up and smooth out his beard and robes and look up at Snape and say "O.K. how do I look?"
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Thanks for the laugh* * I loved your version of Dumboldores death....I want to believe in Snapes goodness, so i can't say him killing Dumboldore makes him a traitor. Things are not always as they appear. Only JK knows what was between Snape and Dumboldore that makes Dumboldore's trust in him unwavering. Dumboldores "please", and Snape look of hatrid can means so many things. Wait and see.
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:08 AM
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I feel bad for Malfoy too. He's only 16, and out of spite, Voldemort puts this HUGE responsibility of killing Dumbledore on his shoulders, not to mention having to fix the cabnit so the Death Eaters can get through to Hogwarts.
Malfoy was proud at first to be given such "an honor," but obviously it began to wear on him, crying at least twice (though we only witness it once) and looking tired and worried all the time. Poor kid.

But AHHH! I really HOPE that Snape is somehow pulling everyone's leg, and is really a good guy, but like I said, he wouldn't look at DUmble with a intense expression of "HATRED" if he wasn't evil. Anger, maybe, but not hatred.
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i hope that snape is good, too, but, for heaven's sakes, HE KILLED DUMBLEDORE! ok, there might be some good in him for all we know. but i'm just really really mad at him for killing dumbledore. dumbledore had to die anyway because only harry can stop voldemort, and harry now knows pretty much all he needs to know. dumbledore told him everything, so technically harry's the one who knows the most about voldemort in the entire wizarding world! i got off topic, didn't i? anyway, i sincerely hope snape's good deep down, but i haven't forgiven him yet for killing dumbledore. i won't forgive him until i see proof that he had to, or that he didn't mean to, or something like that. i'm sad!
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Old 08-19-2005, 08:12 AM
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It seems to me everyone is making good points but I am wondering if anyone noticed that right before Snape arrived DD was telling Malfoy that he could make it appear he had died.* Then Snape arrives and "kills" him.* As for the original question about Snape not attacking back I trully don't believe he is bad.* I believe he was trying to help Harry's duelling skills.* I believe he was also helping Malfoy to escape the death-eaters.

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I think Snape didn't attack Harry at the end, because he knows Voldemort wants to be the one to kill him. When one of the Death Eaters gets Harry from behind with the Crutiatus curse, Snape lifts the curse from Harry, while telling the Death Eater to leave him alone for the Dark Lord to deal with him.
So, no, I think Snape was merely taunting him.
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Mabey Snape's reason was not so that L.V. could kill Harry, but so that Harry would be able to kill L.V. L.V. would love for Harry to be dead. With Harry dead, L.V. would be all powerful. Only Harry has the power to kill L.V.
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i do NOT think that snape would kill dumbledore to help harry with his dueling skills! no way! that's totally inhumane! it is a good theory, and there's nothing wrong with it, i just think it's not possible. we're all entitled to our opinions, right? that's mine, right there!
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