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Year VI: Half Blood Prince Discuss, Snape Teaching Til The End (spoiler Warning) at Books: The Restricted Section of the Library forum
Originally posted by KaraC@Jul 22 2005, 08:29 PM I think Snape didn't attack Harry at the end, ...

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Old 07-29-2005, 08:36 AM
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Originally posted by KaraC@Jul 22 2005, 08:29 PM
I think Snape didn't attack Harry at the end, because he knows Voldemort wants to be the one to kill him. When one of the Death Eaters gets Harry from behind with the Crutiatus curse, Snape lifts the curse from Harry, while telling the Death Eater to leave him alone for the Dark Lord to deal with him.
So, no, I think Snape was merely taunting him.
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i totally agree with that. but what do u think about malfoy? what will happen 2 him? i think riddle will be mad @ malfoy and snape cuz snape made an unbreakable vow to help when it was malfoy's job, and that he'll be mad @ malfoy because he couldn't kill dumbledore. i kinda feel sorry for malfoy, even after everything he's done to harry in the books. what do u think????
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I feel bad for Malfoy too. He's only 16, and out of spite, Voldemort puts this HUGE responsibility of killing Dumbledore on his shoulders, not to mention having to fix the cabnit so the Death Eaters can get through to Hogwarts.
Malfoy was proud at first to be given such "an honor," but obviously it began to wear on him, crying at least twice (though we only witness it once) and looking tired and worried all the time. Poor kid.

But AHHH! I really HOPE that Snape is somehow pulling everyone's leg, and is really a good guy, but like I said, he wouldn't look at DUmble with a intense expression of "HATRED" if he wasn't evil. Anger, maybe, but not hatred.
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Old 07-31-2005, 02:29 PM
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I would believe it possible for DD to come back if only he wasn't so weak at the time of his murder and if Snape hadn't used the Avada Kedavra curse to blast him with and if he hadn't fallen. As it is DD is indeed a gonner.

With all due respect to everyone in here I think that readers today are rather spoiled in that in our literature we usually, almost always get our favorite characters returned to us from the grave after they've been killed. For example Spock, Gandalf, and many others. Everyone wanted and thought that Sirius Black would return too. But he didn't. It would rather ruin the image, that J.K. has worked so hard to build and cultivate, of Voldemort and the Death Eaters as powerful mysterious and evil if DD came back. They would be more of a joke and would be percieved as the gang that can't shoot straight. They would be seen more as Mr. McGoo gone evil.

And oh by the way I thought it just a tad sub par of J.K. to end DD pleading for his life. I would have thought an end more befitting for the character would have been for DD to say "Wait, before you kill me..." and then DD would straighten himself up and smooth out his beard and robes and look up at Snape and say "O.K. how do I look?"
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Old 08-03-2005, 01:29 PM
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I would believe it possible for DD to come back if only he wasn't so weak at the time of his murder and if Snape hadn't used the Avada Kedavra curse to blast him with and if he hadn't fallen. As it is DD is indeed a gonner.

With all due respect to everyone in here I think that readers today are rather spoiled in that in our literature we usually, almost always get our favorite characters returned to us from the grave after they've been killed. For example Spock, Gandalf, and many others. Everyone wanted and thought that Sirius Black would return too. But he didn't. It would rather ruin the image, that J.K. has worked so hard to build and cultivate, of Voldemort and the Death Eaters as powerful mysterious and evil if DD came back. They would be more of a joke and would be percieved as the gang that can't shoot straight. They would be seen more as Mr. McGoo gone evil.*

And oh by the way I thought it just a tad sub par of J.K. to end DD pleading for his life. I would have thought an end more befitting for the character would have been for DD to say "Wait, before you kill me..." and then DD would straighten himself up and smooth out his beard and robes and look up at Snape and say "O.K. how do I look?"
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I think that would suit Dumbledore better.But I think he was pleading to be killed so that Snape and Malfoy would live.And if annyone want's to keep their spirits up well let's remember that in Chamber of secrets Fawks looked awfull and sickly and just died,but only to be reborne again,and again.Hmm if I remember correctly Dmbledore's Patronus was a Phoenix and when they buried him the smoke that came out of the tomb was white and in the form of a Phenix.But honestly I think he is gone for good.

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Old 08-03-2005, 02:20 PM
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i think snape was disgusted with himself for killing dumbledore so thats why there was a look of hatred on his face.i.e. he hated himself for killing DD.
and also when harry called snape a coward then snape let out a painful yelp meaning he hated what he had done and harry had no idea what guts it took for snape to kill dd
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Old 08-04-2005, 01:24 PM
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i think snape was disgusted with himself for killing dumbledore so thats why there was a look of hatred on his face.i.e. he hated himself for killing DD.
and also when harry called* snape a coward then snape let out a painful yelp meaning he hated what he had done and harry had no idea what guts it took for snape to kill dd
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That's pretty much what I thoght!!!!!
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There appears to be a great rift brewing amoung HP fans- some who believe snape is good, others who believe he is evil. That's obvious.

In every book of the series, Snape is always questioned, and by the end of the book, he comes out as a 'good guy in the end'. Book one is a particularly fierce example.

Personally, I believe that when JK writes that snape kills dumbledore, while dumbledore pleads for his life, it means he's a filthy traitor. Ignore the trickey words and exact phrasing in the book- JK didn't hang the clues for such a twist on the emphisis in one or two words. So:

Answer this honestly- In a debate pre HBP, while questioning snape's loyalty, what would you say to the question: What would snape have to do to be a traitor? Kill dumbledore?

How many would have said, 'yea, well if he killed dumbledore, then he would be...'

The answer: Everyone.

H/Hr shippers can attest, quite strongly after HBP, don't study the details under a microscope. Look at the big picture.
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Old 08-05-2005, 09:08 AM
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There appears to be a great rift brewing amoung HP fans- some who believe snape is good, others who believe he is evil. That's obvious.

In every book of the series, Snape is always questioned, and by the end of the book, he comes out as a 'good guy in the end'. Book one is a particularly fierce example.

Personally, I believe that when JK writes that snape kills dumbledore, while dumbledore pleads for his life, it means he's a filthy traitor. Ignore the trickey words and exact phrasing in the book- JK didn't hang the clues for such a twist on the emphisis in one or two words. So:

Answer this honestly- In a debate pre HBP, while questioning snape's loyalty, what would you say to the question: What would snape have to do to be a traitor? Kill dumbledore?

How many would have said, 'yea, well if he killed dumbledore, then he would be...'

The answer: Everyone.

H/Hr shippers can attest, quite strongly after HBP, don't study the details under a microscope. Look at the big picture.
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Very good point,But none of us can asure one thing or another.But something else I recall in book 6 is that Harry himself had the order to kill Dumbledore,he had to force Dumbledore to drink the liquid even if it might mean Dumbledore"s death and he did even if he hated doing it and I don't think Harry was betraying Dumbledore,he was simply following his orders.Hmm....sounds familiar to me.
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Old 08-05-2005, 09:43 AM
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That is a very good point SiriusBlack. The question is did Snape have a deal like that with Dumbledore? That would be the decideing factor. The over all factor is that Dumbledore wants to insure victory in the end over Voldemort probably at any cost even his own life.
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Originally posted by KaraC@Jul 22 2005, 08:29 PM
I think Snape didn't attack Harry at the end, because he knows Voldemort wants to be the one to kill him. When one of the Death Eaters gets Harry from behind with the Crutiatus curse, Snape lifts the curse from Harry, while telling the Death Eater to leave him alone for the Dark Lord to deal with him.
So, no, I think Snape was merely taunting him.
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Mabey Snape's reason was not so that L.V. could kill Harry, but so that Harry would be able to kill L.V. L.V. would love for Harry to be dead. With Harry dead, L.V. would be all powerful. Only Harry has the power to kill L.V.
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