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A turtle and some goldfish- but my mom takes care of them more than I do. XP...

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Old 12-26-2007, 06:52 PM
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A turtle and some goldfish- but my mom takes care of them more than I do. XP
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Oh. Well, I have a dog, and there is not a single doubt in my mind that his emotions are no simpler than a human's.
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OMG. Hedwig and I agree. We have three, and I swear they understand English.
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Roflmao!!
It's the end of the world!!!

Probably, but I think there's still a difference. The capacity and potential of human emotion ultimately exceeds that of animals. (Well, dogs can definitely be more empathetic than some humans, but, I dunno, it's not really the same I guess.)
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I'm with you on the emotion, but with Heds on the intelligence.

In other news, Hell has frozen over.
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I think we have sidetracked here a little.
Animals are intelligent. They are capable of problem solving showing empathy and emotions.

The question is whether your soul would be ripped apart for being responsible for the death of
a) a dog
b) a dolphin
c) a monkey/chimpanzee
d) a house-elf
e) a goblin
f) a centaur
g) a unicorn

I don't think a wizard's soul splits if they are to kill any of the above, according to my recollection of the books.

This is a different sentence - to - people shouldn't randomly kill living things (which I certainly agree with, and would suggest the good guys of the HP books also agree with).... hopefully there will be no hysteria as a result.
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Ants don't really think or have emotions. Dogs and Hippogriffs, on the other hand, are sometimes smarter than certain people *points at Sara when she's not looking*...
Are you sure ants are extremely inteligent and can you prove Hippogriffs and household pets have feelings? I think they do, but can you prove it?
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So is there a point trying to be made. I believe every living creature has feelings heck even trees. But Dumbledore is dead is that the question being referd
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The question is not, "Can they reason?" nor, "Can they talk?" but rather, "Can they suffer?"
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great question. = 'can they suffer'. I believe this to be a great question for today's world. But - in the same thread we are speaking of horcruxes - so we have to place our reasoning in Harry Potter world and wizarding belief - yes?


a horcrux is made upon the killing of a wizards life - cause the murderer's soul to be split.
In HP - when a wizard maliciously kills, their soul splits... and they can put this fragment into an object to preserve a part of them.

when the Order kill Death eaters - I do not think their souls split or fracture as a result. I don't think Molly Weasley has a fractured soul. I think she killed Bellatrix out of love for her kids. It was love, adrenalin and unbearable pain that gave her the rage to 'really mean' to kill Bellatrix.
(do we know who it was done? did Molly use Avada Kedabra, or could Molly have used another spell, perhaps caused stone to fall upon Bellatrix, cause Bellatrix to impale herself on something.... could Molly have used smarter magic to do the job?)

Something new to think about. It must be a 'murder' - 'malicious'.
If you kill for self defence & the greater good - I think it is ok. somehow - magic has 'morals' perhaps. It knows the difference between a 'good kill' and a 'bad kill'.

What do you think?
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