Godrics Hollow

hmmmm

I hit the reply button to say that Snape could not have been there.
No idea why. I have no argument at all.
Peter could have been there.
Or any of the death eaters.
I don't know why this question bugs me so much.

I wish that woman would just write the drats book, already.

Psyduck- Hee hee, you tried to say d.a.m.n didn't you? I saw your topic thing saying that we should be able to quote directly from the characters and I am with you 100%.
"Give her heck from us."
Fred and George didn't say that!

Buff- Jo also says that there was someone else at Godric's Hollow on the night of the Potters' murders. (Well. OK. What she actually said was "no comment" when asked if there was anyone else there. Samething!) I think this was Snape. He'd given the info about the prophecy, hinted to Potters' because he was so jealous of James but, because he still loved Lily, begged Voldy to let her live. Snape was there in the shadows watching to see if 'his' Lily was alright. He watches in blind, awful terror as the whole thing goes horribly wrong. Shocked at what's happened, he gets back to Dumby and confesses his sins. The horror of that night means that he cann't stand being called a coward because he just 'lurked' by and watch it all happen... What you think???

When you put it like that, it makes sense, but I don't think Lily would have loved Snape. Maybe Snape love Lily, and Lily never really knew.

Well, yes, Harry was there, but where did the stories come from, then? Hagrid knew before Patronus lessons what had happened and he told Harry.
That does fit in with the Snape theory. He would have told the order what happened when he came to the good side.

Or, if there was no survivor but Harry there that night, could Dumbledore have performed Occlumency on baby Harry and seen what had happened. Maybe during that minute or so when they watched him silently on the doorstep, Dumbledore could have done Occlumency.
I really don't know.

Pettigrew, I'll have a think about that one and get back to you.

Great topic, by the way. Something new to excercise our brains with.

What did Hagrid know?
What details did he have before Harry's patronus lessons?
That Voldemort attacked?
That Lily was not the original target?

serious you are a genius! (See how pretty 'serious' and 'genius' look together?!) Your thoughts and reason about the fact that someone must have witnessed the Godric Hollow carry-on was great!! Ta.

psyduck; you are genius too!! Off course the info given to Hagrid about what happened that night was sketchy because the witness caot nnhave been in the house (I think).

Hagrid got this info second-hand from someone watching outside, Hagrid was not there himself. Can you imagine Hagrid sitting in a bush passively watching a murder happen? Can you imagine Hagrid finding a bush big enough to sit behind?

Hagrid DID know something about that night. He knew that Harry's parents died before the final assault on Harry. Hagrid never suggests any other scenario but the one he gves. He never hints that MAYBE Voldy skulked around the house's outside windows to find a sleeping Harry in his cot or that Voldy probably just blew up the whole house and Harry miraculosly survived. Hagrid never says 'Voldemort tried to kill your family and only you survived'. His words are more particular. Hagrid says:
'You-know-how killed 'em. An' then - and this is the real myst'ry of the thing- he tried to kill you, too.'
How else would Hagrid have known that James and Lily were killed first AND THEN Voldy turned to kill Harry, unless he was told by someone?? Therefore, Hagrids was told how it went down night.

K. So who's the witness??
Petigrew's an option because he knew where it was gonna happen (secret keeper 'n all).
Snape. All the reasons given in above posts.
Who else????

Nope. I still don't see it.
Ok, so The-Boy-Who-Lived was attacked last.
You don't need a crystal ball or an eye-witness for that.

Got anything else?

Jo's clues are AWFUL!! Besides the '"something that is discovered in the second book will be VERY important to the end of the story"/diary' clue, I can't think of one of Jo's clues that has helped or makes any sense at all even after reading the 6th. This 'no comment' comment is probably another example of a spurious 'jo clue'. BUT, if we are going to play this game, let's keep our eye on the ball. If there was someone else at Godric's Hollow that night who?? Maybe it might help if we ponder what they were doing there...?? Were they spying?Were they on guard? Were they sitting down to dinner with the Potters? Were they alongside Voldy? Any of these options might help us hone the thoughts on who it was... maybe??? Let's ponder together

We know that the Order was in full swing the first time Val. came to power.I would think after Dumbledore heard the prophecy from Teleway he would have sent someone from the order to watch the Potters. .I don`t think Pettigrew was there either for it`s one thing to sentence your friend to death and another to watch.Peter a coward but, I don`t think that after being friends w/Lily and the way she`s described couldn`t live with watching her die.He would have to be truly evil. I think Sirrus was close by when the Potter died but not being the secret keeper could not know where they were at but, have been in the general area keeping watch. That`s why Hagrid was able to use Sirrus` motorbike he was already in the area. I can`t see how Sirrus wasn`t around.He would have felt a little helpless not knowing exactly where the Potters were and being a true friend and a godfather.He would have made a good lookout for the Order.Thinking about it no one besides A Secret -Keeper would have been able to see into the home unless Vol. brought along someone else to make sure the Order wasn`t able to twart his plan.Maybe Snape was there as a guard to keep watch for Vol..I think he saw up close the whole scene. I think Snape begged Vol. to spare Lily.I think that`s why Vol. asked her to step aside.I gather though he doesn`t ask twice.Lily could have save Snapes life at one time just as James did.

Horace --

Sirius knew where Lily & James were living.
The significance of the Secret Keeper is that he is the only one who can tell the secret to others.

Dumbledore was the Secret Keeper for the Order of the Phoenix. Lots of people knew the location of Headquarters (Grimold place) but only Dumbledore could tell a new person where it was.

Now that I think of it this way, I doubt that Snape could have been the mystery guest at Godrick's Hollow.
I can't imagine James wanting Snape to know where they were. Only Peter could have given Snape that information, and I can't think of a reason for him to do it.



Buffy --

First of all, an individual is called "he," not "they."
If you are not sure of the gender, "he" is still correct. It's called "Standard English."
If you don't like that, you can use "it" or "s/he" or any variation on that theme.
The one thing that is not acceptable is the singular "they."
I could write a book on pronoun abuse (like the undefined "there" or "it")
and why pronoun abuse is the root of all evil.
But I'll spare you this time.

As for Jo's "no comment," it means "no comment."
We still don't know that anyone was there at all.

Ok, so who WAS in Godrics Hollow that night?
I don't remember seeing anything about it in DH.
Did she ever answer this one, or was she just playing with us again?

she said no one was there...cant remember wich interview tho...
or maybe the cat....what happened actually to the poor cat the potters had?