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BuffyBuff: JKR says that a clue to the HBP lies in the Chamber of Secrets book. My theory is this: ...

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Old 05-12-2005, 10:56 AM
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BuffyBuff: JKR says that a clue to the HBP lies in the Chamber of Secrets book. My theory is this: Aragog said that he "arrived in the pocket of a traveler." The traveler obviously ended up near Hogwarts for whatever the reason. Could this be the clue? The traveler who brought Aragog to Hogwarts in his pocket was the HBP? What do you think?

As for Voldemort chosing Harry, Dumbledore said that the reason Voldemort chose Harry was because he was a half-blood like himself. Voldemort or Tom Riddle was abandoned by his father after his mother died and his hate grew to such gigantic proportions that it gave him great energy. You see, anger is energy pure and simple. That is why angry people need to go out and chop wood or run a marathon to get rid of anger. Voldemort believes that an orphaned half-blood with an axe to grind is more likely to be powerful than a pampered full-blooded wizard whose parents did not abandon him out of choice. Even so, Voldemort underestimates Harry.
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Old 05-12-2005, 12:44 PM
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i think neville is a pure blood because voldemort didn't chose him he chose harry.although neville was born the same time of harry he was not really part of the prophecy it was coincedence. and plus his parents were pure blood.neville will have a great part to play in hbp. he might have a big part play in harry's life.
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Old 05-12-2005, 07:38 PM
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Hang on: I thought Voldemort is a half blood because his Mum was a witch and his Dad wasn't (Seamus calling himself half and half in the 1st book), BUT Harry came from two magical parents and he is a half blood!!!!!! Therefore the definition of 'half blood' has to be based on a longer genealogy than just your parents. I've lent my copy of the 2nd out but I think there is a passage about Harry justifying his blood because of his parents' magical status but I can't remember how that particular conversation ends.

V could only have chosen Harry as the vanquishing threat because of his half-bloodedness not Harry's status as orphan because Harry wasn't an orphan when V chose him- follow my circular logic? Therefore Harry wasn't an orphan with any kind of sharp impliment to grind or do anything else with.

Additionally, D says that according to V's "creed", purebloods are "the only kind of wizard worth being or knowing" but he chose a "halfblood like himself. He saw himself in you [Harry,] before he had ever seen you" (p.742 Aus. hardback, OotP). Thus, V has an inferiority complex about his blood and a superiority complex about his blood all at the same time.......my head hurts

Dumbledore tells us that Neville is a pureblood and Harry's a half blood (p742, Aus. hardback, OotP).

OK the mysterious spider salesman:
Why, Zonko, do you think that this TRAVELLER "obviously" moved into the Hogworts area?
Here's a thought: Tom Riddle semed to know a lot about Hagrid's goings on, enough to know exactly where to find Hagrid to get him expelled. How about the spider peddler was Tom in disguise stirring up some trouble (a la Quirille)? I am making all this up and don't actually believe a word of it but, sorry Zonko who I love now as a brother, I'm finding EVEN my theory more believable than your's right about now. Give me something else to go on, a prickle of a smidgen of a hint to back you and I'll be there for ya
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Old 05-12-2005, 11:28 PM
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what if the half blood prince is hagrid because he become the prince of the giants, hmmmmmm it is worth a shot he is a half blood. or did she come out and say that it was not hagrid it is too late for me to remember
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Old 05-13-2005, 05:39 PM
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Maybe PDog. But don't giants choose 'royalty' based on size. Hagrid's a little tyke really.

Hey, what do you think of my post above? I spent ages on it, appreciate feedback
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Old 05-13-2005, 10:11 PM
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Come on people PPPLLLLEEEASEEEEE I really want your thoughts on my last big post/ the 3rd last one. What do you think?
If Voldemort is a half blood because his father was a muggle (just like Seamus's) why is Harry a half blood?
What do you think of my extended definition of half blood? Does it work or am I forcing it to fit the fact that Dumbledore says Harry's a half blood therefore it must be true? Did JKR stuffup?

Maybe I should open this up as a separate topic
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Old 05-14-2005, 08:56 AM
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just in response to buffybuffs comments on how harry is half blood. harry is half blood because his mother was from a non magical family (just like hermione). if you remember when harry looked into the pensive and saw snapes memories in the memory lily sticks up for snape when james is hexing him and snape says something to her then calls her a mudblood.
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Old 05-14-2005, 04:36 PM
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Ta muchly Sirusrocks.You are absolutely right.

I went exploring and found that JKR explains this half blood shinannigans as being like the Nazi's 'Ayrian Race' obsession. So yeah, it's not just your parents, it's your heritage. Like the Nazi's, the Deatheaters kind of make it up as they go: if they 'like' you- ie. if they are afraid of you, need you or want you to be one of them - they might not look back too far but if they hate you (a la Harry) you're blood can be seen as 'tainted' very quickly. Harry is def. a half blood.

JKR goes on to say that the purety of blood has become such an obsession in some families that any muggle or squib gets pruned off the family tree (Blacks being obvious eg.). She says "This topic is dealt with in HBP"!! What do you reckon this means? Maybe someone doesn't know they're related 'cause their parents were pruned?

We know Mrs Weasley is related to Blacks and therefore Malfoys. Does this mean Ron and Draco are second cousins?

We don't know anything about Harry's Father's except that they are an old wizarding family. Are Harry and Ron related? Harry and Draco related??

Voldemort's Mum was a witch but we don't know much about her family either. Are Harry and Voldemort related?
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Old 05-14-2005, 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by Zonko@May 12 2005, 10:56 AM
BuffyBuff:* JKR says that a clue to the HBP lies in the Chamber of Secrets book.* My theory is this:* Aragog said that he "arrived in the pocket of a traveler."* The traveler obviously ended up near Hogwarts for whatever the reason.* Could this be the clue?* The traveler who brought Aragog to Hogwarts in his pocket was the HBP?* What do you think?

Yeah a clue lies in the CoS but, according to JKR on her website, there is "No trace of the HBP storyline in the Chambers..Rather it relates to a discovery Harry made in the 'Chambers' that foreshadows something that he finds out in the 'Prince'" I don't know what this means but I think it suggests that it's not so much a character that comes back as a power or possibilty???? Paseltongue? The Sorting Hat? OR the diary maybe?? JKR also says that 'magicals' (saying 'wizards' is alittle sexists don't you think?) can communicate with each other in many different ways "even after they're dead" and that the sorting hat, pictures, penseive and ghosts were an example of this. She didn't mention the diary but maybe... something...? <_<

If V/ Tom Riddle did it once, what's to stop him putting his spirit into hundreds of objects which suck the life out of people and come to life in their own right = hundreds of Voldemorts.

JKR says that the mirror will play apart in 6&7. I know this has been mentioned elsewhere but Sirius's mirror (now smashed at the bottom of Harry's trunk) could turn out to be something like the diary....NAAA, I'm reaching now. I think it is/was just a communicator. JKR does say that Order of the Pheonix members have ways to communicate with each other and we'd seen a member use this method. Is it mirrors? Clocks?
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Old 05-15-2005, 12:35 AM
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Buffy: No traveler huh? Another theory trampled like a dungbeetle in the road. Another hope shattered like a Ming Vase. Another dream hung out to dry by the nape of its scrawny neck. I can take it. Really, I can. Waaaaaaaaaaaaa!

The biggest discoveries Harry made in The Chamber... are: 1. Voldemort's given name is Tom Marvolo Riddle. 2. Hagrid was tossed out of Hogwarts because of Moaning Myrtle's death 3. The monster was a Basilisk 4. Aragog is a BIG spider and 5. Filch is a BIG squib. Hmmm. The wheels are turning but I don't seem to be going anywhere.

How about the portraits for communication. They figure significantly in Order of the Phoenix. It's certainly not like Voldemort who gives out free tattoos with every worship.
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