Harry Potter
Go Back   Harry Potter Chat > The Wizarding World > The Restricted Section of the Library > Year V: Order of the Phoenix
Register RPG The Owlery Arcade Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Xploder PS3 HD Movie Player

Harry Potter Chat: Where Witches and Wizards Wander

You are currently viewing our boards as a muggle which gives you very limited powers to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community you will have the power to post topics, communicate privately via owls with other witches and wizards, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features and forums. The more you interact with the board, the more features become available to you. For example, the live chat is only available to active witches and wizards. Registration is fast, simple and absolutely free so please, join the Harry Potter Chat community today!
Year V: Order of the Phoenix Discuss, Professor Umbridge. at The Restricted Section of the Library forum
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Aberforth @ Aug 23 2006, 11:18 PM) [snapback]28630[/snapback] No Umbridge won't ...

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
  #11 (permalink)  
Old 08-26-2006, 04:36 PM
Aberforth's Avatar
Aberforth Aberforth is offline Scan Aberforth
Caretaker
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Zodiac Sign: Virgo
Rating: 2 Votes / 5.00 Average
Posts: 1,080
Default

Quote:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Aberforth @ Aug 23 2006, 11:18 PM) [snapback]28630[/snapback]
Quote:
No Umbridge won't turn out nice. But Fudge is eviler! [/b]
No, he's not!
He was just in deep, deep, deep denial.

He chose to believe that Dumbledore and company were plotting
against him rather than believe... the unthinkable.

Ok, that's no excuse, but you can't compare him to Umbridge.
He was never sadistic. (Trelawney, Hagrid...)
And never consciously dishonest. (sending dementors...)
[/b][/quote]
He most certainly is. Placing your own desperate need for power over doing what you know to be right is about as evil as it gets.

Quote:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Demelza @ Aug 24 2006, 02:51 AM) [snapback]28632[/snapback]
Quote:
...Scrimgeour told Harry that Umbridge had been telling them at the ministry that Harry wanted to be an auror. It was implicit that she was suddenly for him... [/b]
I don't remember that part. Where was it?

I don't see the idea of Umbridge helping Harry as so terrible. He's not so petty. And the big issue at the moment pushes everything into perspective. I would never trust Umbridge with anything important, simply because she is a fool and likely to mess it up. But to do something out of spite? She's not that important. Harry has bigger things to worry about.
[/b][/quote]
I don't think Umbridge is going to play much of a role again, and Harry can't be an auror anyway, but you don't think Harry is that petty? We've seen again and again Harry doing and saying stupid thing because he always let's his emotions rule him.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote

 
Old 08-26-2006, 04:36 PM
The Harry Potter LUMOS Book Light - the perfect gift for your little wizard. Special book 7 launch price: $10 off!
  #12 (permalink)  
Old 08-27-2006, 08:15 AM
Psyduck's Avatar
Psyduck Psyduck is offline Scan Psyduck
Caretaker
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Rating: 9 Votes / 3.11 Average
Posts: 2,975
Default

Quote:
...He most certainly is. Placing your own desperate need for power over doing what you know to be right is about as evil as it gets... [/b]
No, Fudge did not place his desperate need for power over doing what he knew to be right. The point is that he did not know. He was a fool, he was in denial, but he is not truly evil.

Quote:
...you don't think Harry is that petty? We've seen again and again Harry doing and saying stupid things because he always let's his emotions rule him. [/b]
Saying something stupid on impulse is not the same as carrying a petty grudge for two years and loosing sleep over it. Umbridge is no more important than Dudley. And no more useful.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote

  #13 (permalink)  
Old 08-27-2006, 11:50 AM
Aberforth's Avatar
Aberforth Aberforth is offline Scan Aberforth
Caretaker
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Zodiac Sign: Virgo
Rating: 2 Votes / 5.00 Average
Posts: 1,080
Default

Quote:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Aberforth @ Aug 26 2006, 08:36 PM) [snapback]28668[/snapback]
Quote:
...He most certainly is. Placing your own desperate need for power over doing what you know to be right is about as evil as it gets... [/b]
No, Fudge did not place his desperate need for power over doing what he knew to be right. The point is that he did not know. He was a fool, he was in denial, but he is not truly evil.[/b][/quote]
Of course he knew. To be in denial, you have to know what the truth is. Otherwise it's ignorance, and he certainly wasn't ignorant of what was going on. He just didn't want to believe it because it threatened his comfort and power.

Quote:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(Aberforth @ Aug 26 2006, 08:36 PM) [snapback]28668[/snapback]
Quote:
...you don't think Harry is that petty? We've seen again and again Harry doing and saying stupid things because he always let's his emotions rule him. [/b]
Saying something stupid on impulse is not the same as carrying a petty grudge for two years and loosing sleep over it. Umbridge is no more important than Dudley. And no more useful.
[/b][/quote]
Umbridge's or Dudley's importance is irrelevant. Harry's not that conscious. It wouldn't stop him from doing something spiteful to either of them. I'm not saying he will in book 7, I'm just saying I wouldn't put it past him.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote

  #14 (permalink)  
Old 08-27-2006, 05:10 PM
Demelza Demelza is offline Scan Demelza
Third Year
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Zodiac Sign: Leo
Rating: Not Rated
Posts: 271
Default

Ok the bit where Scrimgeour tells Harry that Umbridge has been telling them at the ministry that Harry wants to be an auror is in chapter sixteen of HBP when Scrimgeour visits the Weasleys and has a chat with Harry one on one. When he's telling Harry how the ministry wants to use him he also says that Umbridge has told him that Harry cherishes an ambition to become an auror. Like, she stated emphatically in book five that the ministry wouldn't have Harry as an Auror.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote

  #15 (permalink)  
Old 08-28-2006, 06:41 AM
Tonks's Avatar
Tonks Tonks is offline Scan Tonks
Caretaker
 
Join Date: May 2004
Zodiac Sign: Pisces
Rating: 2 Votes / 5.00 Average
Posts: 2,058
Default

Aberforth, what do you mean Harry can't be an auror anyway!?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote

  #16 (permalink)  
Old 08-28-2006, 08:21 AM
Aberforth's Avatar
Aberforth Aberforth is offline Scan Aberforth
Caretaker
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Zodiac Sign: Virgo
Rating: 2 Votes / 5.00 Average
Posts: 1,080
Default

Quote:
Aberforth, what do you mean Harry can't be an auror anyway!?
[/b]
He didn't get a high enough OWL in potions to do it. That's in an early chapter in HBP, I can't remember which.

I'll bet you another nickel he doesn't become an auror. :P
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote

  #17 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2006, 01:52 AM
Demelza Demelza is offline Scan Demelza
Third Year
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Zodiac Sign: Leo
Rating: Not Rated
Posts: 271
Default

He didn't get a high enough OWL for potions if Snape were teaching it... but Slughorn was happy to have him back with an Exceeds Expectations, which was what he got. That was why he got the Half Blood Prince's potions book - 'cause he hadn't bought himself one from Diagon Alley at the beginning of the year.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote

  #18 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2006, 02:48 PM
Psyduck's Avatar
Psyduck Psyduck is offline Scan Psyduck
Caretaker
 
Join Date: Jul 2005
Rating: 9 Votes / 3.11 Average
Posts: 2,975
Default

Quote:
...I'll bet you another nickel he doesn't become an auror. [/b]
Don't take that bet! I'm sure that Harry will be ABLE to become an Auror. Still, he could go in another direction, for reasons unrelated to academics or politics.

Quote:
...Slughorn was happy to have him back with an Exceeds Expectations, which was what he got... [/b]
Then again... Slughorn changed that rule AFTER Harry knew Harry's final grades from last year. Speaking of politics, maybe Mr. Favoritism was cheating?
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote

  #19 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2006, 03:56 PM
Cho Granger Cho Granger is offline Scan Cho Granger
Third Year
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Zodiac Sign: Aquarius
Rating: Not Rated
Posts: 243
Default

Quote:
maybe Mr. Favoritism was cheating?[/b]
Maybe Slug did cheat the test, it seems fitting. Don't know just another thought.
Quote:
I'm sure that Harry will be ABLE to become an Auror. Still, he could go in another direction, for reasons unrelated to academics or politics. [/b]
I don't doubt Harry becoming an Auror. I mean he really seemed into it.
Or maybe he might not want to be later and just try to live out his life as an ordanary wizard.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote

  #20 (permalink)  
Old 08-30-2006, 05:57 PM
Ottery St. Catchpole Ottery St. Catchpole is offline Scan Ottery St. Catchpole
First Year
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Rating: Not Rated
Posts: 73
Default

I'm sure Harry will always want to be an Auror. He has, so far, all the right stuff to at least appy for the job. If Harry survives to the end of the series, he'll want a career, even if he doesn't need to earn any gold.

Also, I think there is a difference in the level of trechery between Umbridge and Fudge. Umbridge was much worse. But I don't think either of them fit into the category of "evil". That's a category for Voldemort, alone, because I can't see either of them stooping to the darkest of Dark Arts that LV has done.
Digg this Post!Add Post to del.icio.usBookmark Post in TechnoratiFurl this Post!
Reply With Quote

Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
If You Were A Hogwarts Professor... Paddawan Polls 63 07-17-2008 10:15 AM
Unpretty in Pink Professor Umbridge The Leaky Cauldron The Daily Prophet World Report 0 04-08-2007 05:12 PM
"Professor of Brooding" - a Teacher's Take on Professor Snape The Leaky Cauldron The Daily Prophet World Report 0 11-11-2005 07:42 AM
Is Professor Mcgonagal Is An Animagus? Jonathan_m_Riddle The Great Hall 12 08-15-2005 01:25 PM
If You Were A Hogwarts Professor... Paddawan The Great Hall 0 12-31-1969 04:00 PM


New To Harry Potter Chat? Do You Need Help?

All times are GMT -8. The time now is 11:11 AM.



LinkBacks Enabled by vBSEO 3.0.0