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Sybill Trelawney may not always be able to see into the future, but she has prophesized the death of Voldermort; ...

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Old 07-10-2004, 11:33 PM
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Sybill Trelawney may not always be able to see into the future, but she has prophesized the death of Voldermort;

The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord approaches. born to those who have thrice defied him, born as the seventh month dies, and the Dark Lord will mark him as his equal, but he will have power the Dark Lord knows not and either must die at the hand of the other for neither can live while the other survives. The one with the power to vanquish the Dark Lord will be born as the seventh month dies.

How do you think the Half-Blood Prince of Book 6 ties into this?
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Old 07-11-2004, 09:15 AM
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Originally posted by Winky@Jul 10 2004, 11:33 PM
How do you think the Half-Blood Prince of Book 6 ties into this?
I think we need to think about our pre-world War II knowledge to figure this out, Hitler was a leader who was not pure but came to power over the topic of purity. According to JK, Voldemort is not the half blood prince. Does this ruin the parallels?

So what clues do we find in the books to tell us?

P.S. JK says to check Chamber of Secrets because she was going to use the title for book 2..
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Old 07-11-2004, 01:46 PM
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1) Voldemort & Death Eaters don't like anyone that is half anything.
2) Neville Longbottom is a pureblood. Right? But is 1/2 blood referring to 1/2 royal? or 1/2 muggle? (which is then a mudblood)

What will Year 6 bring?
3) Harry, Ron, and Hermoine will be 16
4) The wizard world is going to war
5) Sibyll Trelawney has made 2 accurate predictions, not just 1. Her second, which happened the night she made the prediction (Year 3) and was about Peter Pettigrew (Scabbers):

It will happen tonight. The Dark Lord lies alone and friendless, abandoned by his followers. His servant has been chained these twelve years. Tonight, before midnight... The servant will break free and set out to rejoin his master. The Dark Lord will rise again with his servants aid, greater and more terrible than ever he was. Tonight... before midnight... the servant... will set out... to rejoin... his master...

JKR didn't hide much in that one. It was pretty much just as she said. Scabbers "broke free" from Ron, turned back into his human body and then ran off to find Voldermort.

6) Neville and Harry were both born in July (seventh month).
7) Both sets of parents fought Voldemort. How many times? All 4 were in the Order of Phoenix.
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OK - if she almost called the second book HBP then HBP must be Tom Riddle / Voldermort. Who else from the second book could it be?

What do we know about the Chamber?

Hogwarts was founded by 4 people. One of those founders was named Salazar Slytherin. He believed that only full-blood witches and wizards should attend Hogwarts.

Slytherin built the Chamber of Secrets and it could only be opened by the true heir. Tom Riddle / Lord Voldemort, who had opened the Chamber when he was a student at Hogwarts too, opened the Chamber in Year 2. The monster in the Chamber was supposed to complete Slytherin's "nobel work" of only full-bloods by killing all the muggle born students.

Slytherin spoke parseltongue. Voldemort and Harry do also.

The Sorting Hat songs tell us more about the founders than in other places. There were songs in Year 1, Year 4, and Year 5.

Year 4:

A thousand years ago or more
When I was newly sewn,
There lived four wizards of renown,
Whose names are still well known:
Bold Gryffindor, from wild moor,
Fair Ravenclaw, from glen,
Sweet Hufflepuff, from valley broad,
Shrewd Slytherin, from fen,
They shared a wish, a hope, a dream,
They hatched a daring plan
To educate young sorcerers
Thus Hogwarts School began.
Now each of these four founders
Formed their own house, for each
Did value different virtues
In the ones they had to teach.
By Gryffindor, the bravest were
Prized far beyond the rest;
For Ravenclaw, the cleverest
Would always be the best;
For Hufflepuff, hard workers were
Most worthy of admission;
And power-hungry Slytherin
Loved those of great ambition.
While still alive they did divide

Their favorites from the throng,
Yet how to pick the worthy ones
When they were dead and gone?
'Twas Gryffindor who found the way,
He whipped me off his head
The founders put some brains in me
So I could choose instead!
Now slip me snug about your ears,
I've never yet been wrong,
I'll have a look inside your mind
And tell where you belong!


Year 5:

In times of old when I was new
and Hogwarts barely started
the founders of our noble school
thought never to be parted:
united by a common goal,
they had the selfsame yearning,
to make the world's best magic school
and pass along their learning.
"Together we will build and teach!"
the four good friends decided
and never did they dream that they
might someday be divided,
for were there such friends anywhere
as Slytherin and Gryffindor?
Unless it was the second pair
of Hufflepuff and Ravenclaw?
So how could it have gone so wrong?
How could such friendships fail?
Why, I was there and so can tell
the whole sad sorry tale.
Said Slytherin, "We'll teach just those
whose ancestry is purest."

Said Ravenclaw, "We'll teach those whose
intelligence is surest."
Said Gryffindor, "We'll teach all those
with brave deeds to their name."
Said Hufflepuff, "I'll teach the lot,
and treat them just the same."

These differences caused little strife
when first they came to light,
for each of the four founders had
a House in which they might
take only those they wanted, so,
for instance, Slytherin
took only pure-blood wizards
of great cunning, just like him,

and only those of sharpest mind
were taught by Ravenclaw,
while the bravest and the boldest
went to daring Gryffindor.
Good Hufflepuff, she took the rest,
and taught them all she knew,
thus the Houses and their founders
retained friendships firm and true.

So Hogwarts worked in harmony
for several happy years,
but then discord crept among us
feeding on our faults and fears.
The Houses that, like pillars four,
had once held up our school,
now turned upon each other and,
divided, sought to rule.
And for a while it seemed the school
must meet an early end,
what with dueling and with fighting
and the clash of friend on friend.
And at last there came a morning
when old Slytherin departed
and though the fighting then died out
he left us quite downhearted.
And never since the founders four
were whittled down to three
have the Houses been united
as they once were meant to be.

And now the Sorting Hat is here
and you all know the score:
I sort you into Houses
because that is what I'm for,
but this year I'll go further,
listen closely to my song:
though condemned I am to split you
still I worry that it's wrong,
though I must fulfill my duty
and must quarter every year
still I wonder whether sorting
may not bring the end I fear.
Oh, know the perils, read the signs,
the warning history shows,
for our Hogwarts is in danger
from external, deadly foes
and we must unite inside her
or we'll crumble from within
I have told you, I have warned you...
let the Sorting now begin.
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I think it might be Tom Riddle. JK said it was Voldemort. She never said it wasn't Tom Riddle.
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Old 07-11-2004, 06:41 PM
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What other character from the second book could it be? Unless it's just referring to Slytherin himself???
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What other character from the second book could it be? Unless it's just referring to Slytherin himself???
I think it could be Dobby, and, although Neville wasn't introduced in the second book, he still looks like a good candidate.
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But isn't tom riddle voldemort and he was mentioned in all the books , maybe it's dobbie or the Dark Art's teacher of that year gosh i forgot his name. It's Quirrel, then---------, then Lupin , then moody, then umbridge, oh maybe it's lockard guy the famous one but his memory is lost and he is in St. Mungos. i don't know i guess i will just have to see it when it comes
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Old 07-13-2004, 12:10 AM
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I think I should read the Chamber of Secrets again.

Maybe it's Ron?
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