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Old 09-06-2006, 03:11 PM
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I lay no claim to this. I completely stole this from another HP site I happened to run across and amjust copying an pasting. I thought it was interesting. I don't think Fudge is a death eater, but the rest is definitely intriguing. Part of the reason it caught my attention is that I too have always been troubled by Sirius laughing during his arrest.

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I've just been re-reading Prisoner of Azkaban, Chapter 10, The Marauders Map. It contains the conversation in the Three Broomsticks between Madam Rosemerta, Fudge and a few Hogwarts teachers, where Harry first learns of the supposed role of Sirius Black in the Potters' deaths.

It has never struck me before how close to the action Fudge was during Sirius' arrest. Fudge was Junior Minister in the Department of Magical Catastrophes (I love that title - a future job for Neville perhaps?) at the time of the showdown between Pettigrew and Black. By his own admission, he was "one of the first on the scene". The account of Black "standing there laughing" comes solely from Fudge.

I've always thought it was strange that Sirius Black, who remained sane in Azkaban entirely through belief in his own innocence, would have offered no defence when he was arrested for Pettigrew's murder. Reading Fudge's words in the Three Broomsticks has made me wonder:

What if Sirius didn't stand there laughing, but protested his innocence? Fudge could have given false evidence of Sirius behaving like a madman to ensure Black's conviction.

Or worse, what if Black recognised Fudge as a Death Eater, and his laughter simply reflects desperation because he knows that he is about to be tried and convicted by a corrupt Ministry?[/b]
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This is an interesting notion. I had just taken it for granted that Sirius was in shock, because he saw, all at once, the dead end he had just traveled down. There might be some arguement to be made that Fudge took matters into his own hands, so to speak. It would be hard for Sirius to prove his mental condition, on any one random night (meaning, he had no reason to suspect how badly twisted events would turn out). But I'm not so sure that the Ministry needed the help to convict him. Stan Shunpike was locked up on what seems to be a wld suspicion. Granted, it was under the authority of a new Minister, but I got the impression that the Ministry, as a whole, felt the need to arrest first and -maybe- ask questions later.
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...I too have always been troubled by Sirius laughing during his arrest... [/b]
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...Sirius was in shock, because he saw, all at once, the dead end he had just traveled down... [/b]
Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other... same difference...
Whether "Little Peter got the better" of him or wimpy, prudish Fudge turned Death Eater,
Laughing at either scenario makes the same kind of sense.

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...the Ministry, as a whole, felt the need to arrest first and -maybe- ask questions later... [/b]
We've heard that story enough times in real life.
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Six of one, half-a-dozen of the other... same difference...
Whether "Little Peter got the better" of him or wimpy, prudish Fudge turned Death Eater,
Laughing at either scenario makes the same kind of sense.[/b]
Really? You think so? You think that it makes perfect sense for Sirius to laugh simply because "little Peter got the best of him" when he's being arrested for murder?

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...the Ministry, as a whole, felt the need to arrest first and -maybe- ask questions later... [/b]
We've heard that story enough times in real life.
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Amen sister. I always have enjoyed the commentary JKR has made on government.
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I hate Fudge and have always wanted a reason to hate him I hope you are right
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He's the worst.
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I have always thought that Fudge was more of a hanger on. Always following somebody. It could be that he is a death eater just like Barty Crouch Jr was. It would make sense. Yet at the same time I think he (Fudge) is to weak minded to really be a death eater. What about Fudge being under one of the unforgivable curses?
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JKR: "Did he actually laugh? Yes..."

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I lay no claim to this. I completely stole this from another HP site I happened to run across and amjust copying an pasting. I thought it was interesting. I don't think Fudge is a death eater, but the rest is definitely intriguing. Part of the reason it caught my attention is that I too have always been troubled by Sirius laughing during his arrest.

wow i never thought of it like that but if Fudge was a deth eater wont Snape have known being so close to the dark lord...and being friends with Dumbledore he would have told....but there is the chance he was and only the Dark Lord knew.....hummmmmm............
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well i just think that sirius thought that it was a bit of a joke that he was being blamed for the murders but i cant be sure.
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