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from "Snape's patronus," in The Room of Requirements (posts #18 thru #22) Originally Posted by teddylupin I despised the ...

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from "Snape's patronus," in The Room of Requirements (posts #18 thru #22)
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I despised the fact that JKR let all the readers, both those who supported Snape and especially those who doubted him, think he was working for Voldemort right until AFTER his death. I thought that was especially cruel, because it meant he got no recognition whatsoever while he lived. I've always known Severus wasn't what Harry saw him as, and I was really starting to lose hope that JK would just destroy Snape as a character as I approached the end and he was still the villan figure.
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yeh it was such a shame. I suppose to his credit, Harry had continued to clear his name (children's names) and like JK said, Harry was on a mission to get his portrait up in the headmaster's office.
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Right. Many times it is years and years after death before a person gets the credit and recognition they deserve, in life and books.
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I appluad Harry for that, but I still have not and most likely will not forgive JKR for that (and many other) injustices.
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share. What other injustices?
and by the way, I would like to analyze your signature. But let's talk injustices first. I thinking Lupin and Tonks as a trade for Mr. W? anything else?
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I really, really do not think that Sirius, Remus, and Tonks are considered a fair trade for Mr. Weasley, not that even JK should barter lives like that. Especially when both Sirius and Remus went through so much in their lifetimes. Ron's always complaining about how big his family is, why shouldn't Harry get a single parent figure that survives? Teddy, as well, raised as an orphan.
Fred's death, because seperating twins is just downright cruel.
The fact that no one except possibly Dobby had a decently written death scene.
The fact that that entire generation died. Not a single one we knew by name, not even Wormtail, survived. James, Lily, Sirius, Pettigrew, Severus/Remus, because we don't even know who died first.
Winky, who was completely ignored as a character and not mentioned a single time in all of Deathly Hallows.
Severus, who doesn't even get a portrait as Headmaster until much later. Is puroposefully left out of that chapter while Dumbledore, even after everything, is still the mentor and grandfatherly figure.
The epilogue, simply because her loyal fans deserved something better written than "All was well." as an ending to series we held so close.
(Note -- Sirius wasn't part of that trade. I got the feeling -- even before the fourth book -- that he was created and made so lovable just so she could rub him out.)

Ok, so what have we got?

1. Letting Snape die without recognition, and making us read to the end to find out.
2. Trading Arthur Weasley for Lupin and Tonks.
3. Glorifying suicide in a children's book.
4. Screwing up the horcrux theory. (It made sense in HBP. But the end of DH was convoluted, self-contradictory and silly.)
5.Harry didn't get a single parent figure that survived.
6.Teddy, as well, raised as an orphan.
7.Fred's death (seperating twins)
8.No one except Dobby had a decently written death scene.
9.Winky was completely ignored through Deathly Hallows.
10.The epilogue, topped with "All was well."

What else?

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Possibly, but here, quotes from an interview:
"Well, I swapped him for someone else, and I don't want to say who for the people who haven't-- read. But I-- I made a decision as I went into writing Phoenix that I was going to reprieve Mr. Weasley and I was going to kill someone else. "
"But-- so there are two characters who are killed in (book) Seven. So Mr. Weasley did get attacked, as you know, in Five. But he would have died if I'd have stuck to the original plan. But he survived. "

So even if JKR wrote him somewhere in the back of her mind just to kill him off, it wasn't part of the original plan. (Why did she have to make him so loveable?"

But this is the mad and angry and mourning side of me talking, maybe. I'm not entirely sure anymore.

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...So even if JKR wrote him somewhere in the back of her mind just to kill him off, it wasn't part of the original plan. (Why did she have to make him so loveable?"
I felt like it WAS part of the original plan.
She killed off Cedric (A new friend); then she killed off Sirius (a major character with no real roll in the main plot). To get us used to the idea that main characters can die, so we wouldn't be too sure about Harry until the very end.
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I felt like it WAS part of the original plan.
She killed off Cedric (A new friend); then she killed off Sirius (a major character with no real roll in the main plot). To get us used to the idea that main characters can die, so we wouldn't be too sure about Harry until the very end.
Moody's death too was shorouded in mystery. If Harry hadn't found that eye, we may never have known that he was actually dead. Who knows, maybe he was still alive and they just removed his magic eye so that he couldn't see through everything. It is sad to think of the ignominy in death of some of JKR's central characters.



Psst! Psyduck..your siggy..is that how we're spelling "version" nowadays?

And by the way, I like MY version better.
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What I want to know, because I'm up to my eyeballs in school prep, will y'all still be interested in talking about this in 2 weeks when I have REAL time to come back to it with my brain in tact?
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What I want to know, because I'm up to my eyeballs in school prep, will y'all still be interested in talking about this in 2 weeks when I have REAL time to come back to it with my brain in tact?
Ah, mcD, you know I, for one, will still be raving during whatever time I have.
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from "Snape's patronus," in The Room of Requirements (posts #18 thru #22)






(Note -- Sirius wasn't part of that trade. I got the feeling -- even before the fourth book -- that he was created and made so lovable just so she could rub him out.)

Ok, so what have we got?

1. Letting Snape die without recognition, and making us read to the end to find out.
2. Trading Arthur Weasley for Lupin and Tonks.


3. Glorifying suicide in a children's book.

4. Screwing up the horcrux theory. (It made sense in HBP. But the end of DH was convoluted, self-contradictory and silly.)
5.Harry didn't get a single parent figure that survived.
6.Teddy, as well, raised as an orphan.
7.Fred's death (seperating twins)
8.No one except Dobby had a decently written death scene.
9.Winky was completely ignored through Deathly Hallows.
10.The epilogue, topped with "All was well."

What else?
THE HARRY POTTER BOOKS ARE NOT WRITTEN FOR CHILDREN - AT LEAST BOOKS 4-7 ARE NOT!!
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So are you not going to let your kids read, or depending on age read to them, books 4-7?
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So are you not going to let your kids read, or depending on age read to them, books 4-7?
It's too late for that. After all that build-up?
And anyway, most people who can read that well could probably handle it.
It's not like they haven't seen worse things in the media.
It's just that I feel cheated. Tricked. She seemed like such a nice lady.
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