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i have said it before, in another thread. since i read deathly hallows..... the small dying 'being' in kings cross ...

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Old 08-03-2007, 10:05 AM
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i have said it before, in another thread. since i read deathly hallows.....

the small dying 'being' in kings cross i believed to be a symbol of the part of voldemort which remained. at that stage, he still had his part of his sole, plus nagini. But still at 2/8's that is not a lot!
therfore resembled a dying - helpless - revolting 'alienlike being'

i also assumed the kings cross event to symbolise that of a 'limbo' stage of deathg - at that stage, harry was near death (but still his whole self) and voldemort (little did he know) was represented in the potentially 'other side' as a very limited version of a living being.

it represented for me, those people who were in fact in limbo of life versus death. i think because of dumbeldorts intelligence + the elder wand as his own, he is not ENTIRELY dead, therefore only in limbo. this applies for voldemort, only until harry awakes and neville defeats nagini, and then harry decides voldemorts eternal fate - thanks to the elder wand -
and harry - who is still able to make the choice to return to conscious thought and continue life as it remains....(in battle with voldemort)

i dont care if people find this wrong, i belive it to be a logical answer for my own suspiscions, plus rest for the peaceful charcters involved in the defear!
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Lol..you are one serious head case. Maybe I could refer you to a future shrink. I wonder who that would be.
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the small dying 'being' in kings cross i believed to be a symbol of the part of voldemort which remained. at that stage, he still had his part of his sole, plus nagini. But still at 2/8's that is not a lot!
therfore resembled a dying - helpless - revolting 'alienlike being'
So what happend to 6/8's of the portion of voldy's soul that had already been destroyed? I mean did it alredy catch a train..to coin a phrase?

mcdirector can maybe help me out with my confused fractions. She's really good at math you know.
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...i think because of dumbeldorts intelligence + the elder wand as his own, he is not ENTIRELY dead, therefore only in limbo...
I agree mostly with what you said. But this bit is confusing. Your saying that Dumbledore was not "ENTIRELY dead" because he owned the elder wand. But that deathly hallow did not give life ever lasting. Even if it did, lets say for arguments sake, that wand passed first into Draco's ownership because he disarmed Dumbledore, and then into Harry's ownership because Harry later disarmed Draco.

Well any way, I'm a total head case now. Maybe I need another free session lol.
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Lol..you are one serious head case. Maybe I could refer you to a future shrink. I wonder who that would be.

So what happend to 6/8's of the portion of voldy's soul that had already been destroyed? I mean did it alredy catch a train..to coin a phrase?

mcdirector can maybe help me out with my confused fractions. She's really good at math you know.

I agree mostly with what you said. But this bit is confusing. Your saying that Dumbledore was not "ENTIRELY dead" because he owned the elder wand. But that deathly hallow did not give life ever lasting. Even if it did, lets say for arguments sake, that wand passed first into Draco's ownership because he disarmed Dumbledore, and then into Harry's ownership because Harry later disarmed Draco.

Well any way, I'm a total head case now. Maybe I need another free session lol.

hahaha yeh im a nut job. i was tired when i wrote that, reading it now it doesnt really make sense, like it did in my head haha.
im not saying because of the wand he wouldn't be dead, i would just assume that if any one wizard can live forever - not physically speaking, then it would have been dumbeldore. i mean this in a spiritual sense.
the whole wizarding world is confusing, because basically all you need when someone dies is a portrait of them! dumbeldore is sitting in a spot on the wall at hogwarts - anytime someone wants a chat
i think thats awesome
i wish harry had portraits of his parents, sirius etc... could have made it interesting, but taken away the powerful parts including his parents.
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hahaha yeh im a nut job. i was tired when i wrote that, reading it now it doesnt really make sense, like it did in my head haha.
im not saying because of the wand he wouldn't be dead, i would just assume that if any one wizard can live forever - not physically speaking, then it would have been dumbeldore. i mean this in a spiritual sense.
the whole wizarding world is confusing, because basically all you need when someone dies is a portrait of them! dumbeldore is sitting in a spot on the wall at hogwarts - anytime someone wants a chat
i think thats awesome
i wish harry had portraits of his parents, sirius etc... could have made it interesting, but taken away the powerful parts including his parents.
Yeah..those portraits are really cool. Who needs that stone hallow thingie eh.
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No, I think the scar is linked with Harry, it is part of him, and his live. And as far as I remember it is not only the scar that's gone in the "limbo place". His glasses were also gone, but he could see.
I think this "everything is perfect" Version of Harry just means, that all this, just happens in his head (or dream, ...) It is a visualization of his final understanding of everything.
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After reading the book again, I have changed my first impression that the scaly baby was the part of V soul that was in Harry. I now think that it's what's left of V - the whole 2/8th theory so say you. Each of the Horcruxes, when destroyed, screamed and faded out - perhaps on some "train", but certainly on a different track than Harry would have taken. This "baby" was still there, not fading off into a scream. So I think it's Voldy in limbo with Harry, as would make since as V was on the ground with DM surrounding him when Harry came to, and Harry later warned V to repent as he saw what he was to become.
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Yes, I think that really makes sense.
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After reading the book again, I have changed my first impression that the scaly baby was the part of V soul that was in Harry. I now think that it's what's left of V - the whole 2/8th theory so say you. Each of the Horcruxes, when destroyed, screamed and faded out - perhaps on some "train", but certainly on a different track than Harry would have taken. This "baby" was still there, not fading off into a scream. So I think it's Voldy in limbo with Harry, as would make since as V was on the ground with DM surrounding him when Harry came to, and Harry later warned V to repent as he saw what he was to become.
The only thing I would possibly disagee with, and I haven't fully reasoned it out, I admit, is that the stunted baby form is 2/8 of Voldemort's soul- becasue that would be imply the 2/8 are infact together- a whole 2/8, not seperate 2/8 as they actually are. I believe the form is the 1/8 of the soul still residing in Voldemort- and the other 1/8 survives in Nagini but is not united with the other 1/8 in "Limbo", or just King's Cross. I felt when reading JK's response that it was more implied that the scaly flaky baby was the same form Voldemort's soul would have after he died- and after 1/8 had been destroyed.
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The only thing I would possibly disagee with, and I haven't fully reasoned it out, I admit, is that the stunted baby form is 2/8 of Voldemort's soul- becasue that would be imply the 2/8 are infact together- a whole 2/8, not seperate 2/8 as they actually are. I believe the form is the 1/8 of the soul still residing in Voldemort- and the other 1/8 survives in Nagini but is not united with the other 1/8 in "Limbo", or just King's Cross. I felt when reading JK's response that it was more implied that the scaly flaky baby was the same form Voldemort's soul would have after he died- and after 1/8 had been destroyed.
The 1/8 makes sense, as the snake is separate and still alive at this point.
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One little technicality that no one seems to notice...
It's not 1/8 or 2/8.

If it were such a precise science, it would be one half of one
half of one half of one half of one half of one half (or 1/64).

I doubt, however, that this is such a precise science that
the soul is ripped cleanly in half with each murder.

Also, Voldemort murdered more than six people and split his soul in more ways than even he could count. Which portion of a shattered portion left him when he made a new horcrux, and which portions of what size remained?

It's not about math anymore. We don't have all the information we need to calculate. All we can know is that it was a very tiny portion of Voldemort's original soul.

I would think that the biggest shards would have been in the first horcruxes he made, which I gather were the diary and the ring.
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