Clues

hey i was watching the special features on the DVD to HP3 and in an interview with JKR she stated that there are clues in the movie about the last 2 books asy anyone noticed these i think ill be watch the movie a little bit more closely next time.

no i have not may be we should re watch the movie ....

Interestingly (or not, you decide), I have been surfing the old Mugglenet site this very morning and found out some pretty interesting (uh oh, repeating adjectives, never a good sign) stuff regarding the clues in the PoA movie. Now, I have to admit to not being a fan of the movies - the first one's tripe, the second one's worse and the third one...well, all I say is I thought werewolves were hairy - and I've only seen PoA once - Xmas Day, full of turkey and wine, wasn't paying too much attention to be honest - so I didn't really pick up on any clues myself. However, there has been much made about the Bridge scene signalling that Lupin loved Lily - which seems plausible enough - and also that Hermione might turn into a werewolf - offal if you ask me. Now then, the point: as I said, I went on Mugglenet today and saw an interesting article regarding Rings. Those of you who haven't seen the full cover for the HBP (and if you haven't, why not? It's on the Bloomsbury site {www.bloomsbury.co.uk} so go and check it out) won't know about this, but on the spine for the book, there's a picture of a Ring. In the PoA movie, there's apparently a shot of Seamus Finnigan wearing a similar ring (dun-Dun-DUN!). Still not getting the significance? Well, the ring is apparently very similar to the one on the cover of HBP. Still thinking So? Well, how about this one, then: there are other people in the PoA movie wearing exactly the same ring. Can you guess who they are? Give up? Malfoy, Crabble, Goyle, Parkinson and Nott. Which raises the question, why exactly is Seamus - a Gryffindor - wearing the same Frat ring as a group of Slytherins? Premonition of Dark Things to come from Seamus, or just shopping at the same costume jewellry boutique?

I've made a bit of dog's dinner of explaining that theory (had to get it down, because it seems more believable than Hermione turning into a werewolf) so if you're interested, you should check out www.mugglenet.com. It's on the home page, bold as brass and it makes for some pretty interesting reading.

Wow I hadn't heard that one.

What about the one that Ron is the heir of Gryffindor because he... wait for it... roars like a lion when he eats the magic lolly...!!! (I say 'So What?!' and 'does this mean neville's the heir of Chimpendales?' :P )

Or the theory that Hermione becomes a werewolf 'cause she she shows a particular interest in the down-trodden animals of the magical world? (I say "what doesn't Hermione show an interest in?")

We've talked about SOME of these weird and wonderful theories in 'Character Analysis' in the 'Leaky Culdron' down Diagon Alley. But I agree with Slopeydope, go check out the originals at Mugglenet. They may all strike you as silly but I guarantee taht they make you go "Ohhh! I never thought of that!" and even "Now THAT'S clever!" GO LOOK!! Come back with even wilder theories like.... ohh... I dunno... just off the top of my head... :' Lupin lover Lily and was so angry that she chose James that he became a spy for Voldemort...' just a thought hee hee sorry Slopeydope. Couldn't help myself

wow i never thought about those things before......wow what if that stuff really happened hehehehe i can't wait

So I found part of the discussion we were having on this topic of these wild and wacky theories from Mugglenet and, moreso 'Leaky Culdron' site (so maybe you haven't read them slopeydope?) and I brought the most important comment, (suprisingly enough, mine! Who'd have thought hey! :P ) over from 'Character Analysis' on this site. ENJOY:

QUOTE (BuffyBuff @ May 17 2005, 05:39 PM)
Yeah a few others were saying Herminoe's too smart to become a werewolf. Sorry I haven;t posted my notes on the main theories that I've knobled from other sites' chat rooms yet. What they are referring to is that JKR's said that scenes that were ONLY in the PoA movie/ not in the book, foreshadows events in the books. (Thought I'd reiterate that bit)

In the movie Hermione says in the Defence against the Dark Arts class, that werewolves only recognise there own kind. Then when Hermione calls/howls werewolf-Lupin, werewolf-Lupin sniffs the air and answers/ follows her call. So, people are saying that this is a portent to Hermione becoming a werewolf. I'm not making the best case for this theory and recommend taht you read others' reasoning in Leaky Lounge of the Leaky Culdron site.

Another popular theory is that Fudge will die because a crow lands on his head. I don't like this one so much. Even though we know we'll get a new Minister of Magic in the 6th, I don't see how having Fudge there or not will be an 'event' of the last books.

Another theory is , of course, that Ron and Hermione will get together. To this I answer with a resounding 'Derrrrr'

By far the best theory and the strogest AND TOTALLY uncontestable, is that Lupin was in love with Lily (please see above for irrefutable evidence of this claim).

There are others, like that Ron will become a werewolf because he roared like a lion???? when eating magic lollies. Or that Ron is the heir of Gryffyndor for the same reason.

Harry saw Sirius's face in the crystal ball in the movie, is supposed to carry some kind of significance...??? That Mrs Weasley saying "Now don't lose him!" as she places Scaggers in Ron's hand is meant to mean that the Weasley's knoew Scabbers was Petter Pettigrew and were being blackmailed to keep him safe... ????

My whole 'Lupin is a Deatheater' thing ain't looking so bad now is it!!!!

K so I followed up Slopeydope's lead and the editorial was SO good I had to bring it over from Mugglenet for you to read!! Go and look at the original 'cause I couldn't bring the pictures of the rings over (not that they're that good) and their discussions on the subject are good too- particularly the stuff about Seamus being the HBP - for me anyway.

READ THIS IT"S GREAT:</span>
<span style=\'colorurple\'>The Ring
An original editorial by Nicola Franklin and Simon Franklin

While watching the Prisoner of Azkaban, my Mum decided to be annoying and watch it on frame advance (like she often does – she was looking for the clue that J.K. had mentioned). To her surprise and horror she noticed something that I thought at the time was really stupid.

She pointed out that Seamus was wearing two rings (one on each hand) and nobody else was. I thought it was really weird for her to notice something so small, but little did I know then how much it would grow into a possible big clue to the next book. We kept watching the film and my Mum noticed that, in fact, the Slytherins were wearing the exact same ring as Seamus. Now this got us thinking. Was this the ominous clue that J.K. had mentioned?

Time went on and we kept looking for clues: Ron and Hermione; Lupin’s past with Lily. It could all be the clue. But we thought the rings were more likely as they were so small and unlikely to be noticed (or so J.K. thought). We forgot about the rings for quite some time. Then suddenly, out of nowhere, the HBP book covers were released and we found a very similar looking ring on the spine of the UK children\'s edition.



As I said earlier, Seamus was the only Gryffindor student wearing rings in the PoA movie. In the past, the pictures on the book spines have sometimes pointed out an important clue, like the black dog on the spine of PoA, the phoenix feather on the spine of OotP and Dumbledore on the spine of PS.

Now, we have a few theories (just theories, mind you!) on why only Seamus and the Slytherins may have been wearing rings and what it could mean for HBP.

A Traitor Among Us
Seamus could be a traitor to Gryffindor, his loyalties being with Slytherin (I know this sounds stupid, but remember, it’s just a thought). Seamus\' and the Slytherins\' rings could be the sign of a fraternity of sorts. This would explain, at least partly, why Seamus is so horrible to Harry in book 5. It’s not because he doesn’t believe him about Voldemort\'s return, because if he was "in" with the Slytherins he’d know that Voldemort was back and he’d be happy about it. We think that if this story is the case, the reason Seamus got so angry towards Harry was because he let his guard down. Then suddenly he must have realized that he was being so outspoken against Harry, therefore making friends with him again to gain access to DA lessons and other non-Slytherin activities.

Seamus\' mother, the root of his anger toward Harry in book 5, may also shed light on this particular theory. On page 76 of the UK version of GoF, Mrs. Finnigan says:

"Why shouldn’t we show our colours?’ said Mrs. Finnigan. "You should see what those Bulgarians have got dangling all over their tents. You’ll be supporting Ireland then," she added, eyeing Harry, Ron, and Hermione beadily.
From this excerpt she sounds threatening and intimidating, the way she eyes them beadily and refers to "those Bulgarians." Maybe when she said "Why shouldn’t we show our colours?" she is hinting at showing their true colours: Ireland = Green, Slytherin = Green. Another quote to support this theory comes from page 90 of the UK version of PS:
Sometimes, Harry noticed, the hat shouted out the house at once, but with others it took a little while to decide.
"Finnigan, Seamus," the sandy haired boy next to Harry in the line, sat on the stool for nearly a minute before it declared him a Gryffindor.
This at least shows that the Sorting Hat had to think for a while before deciding where to put him. His Slytherin legacy may have made the hat hesitate before placing him in Gryffindor.
Also, on page 96 of the UK version of PoA, Seamus says:

"Hey Harry, have you heard? Daily Prophet this morning, they reckon Sirius Black\'s been sighted.
"Where?" said Harry and Ron quickly. on the other side of the table, Malfoy looked up, listening closely. "Not too far from here," said Seamus, who looked excited.
At this point in the story, everyone thinks that Sirius is bad, so why would Seamus be "excited" that Sirius was close, especially with Malfoy listening closely?
Or...it could be the following, which is my favourite theory, as it is the most likely...

The Royal Family

As Seamus said in the Philosopher\'s/Sorcerer’s Stone film, "Me dad’s a Muggle, me mum’s a witch. It was a nasty shock for him when he found out."

This could open a whole load of doors. The theory we expect to be most accurate is that Seamus’ dad could be some sort of Muggle royalty. Nobody ever said that the HBP had to involve magical royalty. Then with Seamus being the HBP through this reason would mean that he would try to bring the Muggle world and the wizarding world together, like his mum and dad did by marrying.

Or...

Protecting the Not-So-Innocent

The rings are there for protection. If you think about it, people apart from Seamus who wear the rings in Slytherin are Malfoy, Crabbe, Goyle, Parkinson, and the other boy from POA, who I expect is Nott. All of these people have Death Eater parents, apart from Pansy, who nobody’s sure about. The rings could be used to ensure another generation of Death Eaters to protect Voldemort. I think it would work quite well this way. Nobody said that Seamus’ mum wasn’t a Death Eater, even though she hasn’t been named as one. If not a Death Eater, she could at least be a big Voldemort supporter.

While we can never be sure until July 16, it\'s possible that Seamus\' ring in the PoA movie is what made J.K. mention the unintentional clue that may foreshadow what\'s to come in HBP.

6/22/05

Posted by: Sara

Ok not trying to be a total b*tch buffy but JK already said the hbp would be some one new to the story and she gives a description far from Seamus' appearence.

HarryandDracoareHot: WOW!! What are your sources?? I've never read that Jo said if we'd met the HBP before or not. if you've got info that not posted on her web site - or any other that I've read - PLEASE I wanna know

Absolutely, the description of the HBP isn't anyone young at all (as we've disussed on 'HBP.. ???' and ... well ALL the other 'Who is the HBP (and there are MANY of them!!! - threads in this site). I didn't write the above editorial. I brought it over from Mugglenet 'cause I def. thought it was worth a read.

Whattya reckon about this ring thing??? pretty weird yeah? Whay would they have given the actors the rings to wear?? Was Jo involved in this costume descision?? Does it portend to something 'big' in the future?? Is this just another marketing ploy?

................snape kill dumbledore......................this can't be true i just.....no this can't be true