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At the end of Goblet of Fire, Harry is telling Dumbledore all about how Voldemort had performed the ritual and ...

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Old 05-12-2005, 07:19 AM
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At the end of Goblet of Fire, Harry is telling Dumbledore all about how Voldemort had performed the ritual and had risen again. When Harry gets to the bit about his blood being used and that Voldemort could now touch Harry without hurting, "...Harry thought he saw a gleam of something like triumph in Dumbledore's eyes."(hard back Aus. ed., p.604)

This point has not been mentioned in the Order of the Phoenix.

What do you think?
Do you think this additional, peculiar relationship between Harry and Voldemort might play a role latter?
What role?
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Old 05-12-2005, 07:34 AM
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Sorry if you'll have debated this ad nauseum but I am a newbie.
This is something that struck me even the 1st time I read the book: what does sharing blood mean to the Voldemort/Harry relationship and future?
Does V owe H a 'life debt' (is that the term?) or does the love/protection charm giving by Lily, also pass to V? (Pretty sure Dumb. suggests this but can't find passage) What does all this mean?
Is this a defence or weapon and whose?
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Old 05-12-2005, 04:32 PM
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Buffybuff: Congratulations! You have the eyes of a bandit. I am delighted that you spotted that sentence. That always bothered me when I read it the first couple of times.

I think Dumbledore smells victory when Harry tells him about the blood. Voldemort, despite his long and difficult rebirth hasn't changed. He knows the price of everything and the value of nothing. Voldemort thinks that because Lily Potter's blood carries a protection for Harry, that all Voldemort needs to do is get his blood to be as powerful as Harry. Wrong.

What flows in Harry's veins is not just his mother's blood; it is his mother's love. As you know, the greatest power on eath lives behind a door in the Department of Mysteries (bottom page 843, Order of the Phoenix). It is the power of love. And no matter how much of Harry's blood Voldemort has, he will never have the love that Harry's mother gave to him.

Voldemort, in his greed for power, is missing the point. It will become his fatal flaw. At the time of Lily's death, Dumbledore had to chose which spell would protect Harry and play into Voldemort's greatest weakness. Dumbledore chose wisely.
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Old 05-12-2005, 05:37 PM
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Ta Zonkos. Man you know how to write!

Don't you think it's interesting that V couldn't stand being in Harry's body because of all the emmotion/love he felt there and yet Harry's blood which is flowing with the love of his mum, V could handle, indeed, needed, for his rebith? I would think that Harry's blood would have stuffed up the rebirth ritual if this was the case.

How did you get that D chose the spell that saved Harry not Lily? She's the charm expert and the mother, why is it him?

I do believe that this blood tie is going to come back to bite V somehow. Maybe like the battling brother wands V just won't be able to kill Harry. What do you think?

Does anyone out there know much about this 'life debt' thing?
I know on the Mugglenet site they were talking about the possibility that LILY and V might have had this kind of relationship which is why V told her to stand aside rather than just kill her. Pretty far fetched I reckon. It does bring me to MY far fetched and yet favouite theory however:
Harry is Voldemorts and Lily's lovechild.....after all Harry does look like Tom Riddle!!!!!!!! Wottya think?
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Old 05-13-2005, 12:27 AM
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Buffybuff: All Voldemort needed was blood. I suspect any blood would have done but Voldemort was determined to get "the most powerful." Dumbledore said that Lilly Potters love lived within Harry's skin. So if he bled, he would only lose blood, not his mothers love. Voldemort doesn't understand the nature of love. Once you have someone's love, it cannot be taken from you and it is certainly not transferrable.

Pages 835-836 Order of the Phoenix tells us how Dumbledore's spell protected Harry for so many years.

50 years ago, Tom Riddle was 16 which makes him 66 years old today. Harry is 15. His mother looks like she may have been about 25 at his birth. If she were alive today, she would be about 40. 26 years age difference between Lily and Voldemort suggests another possiblity. Tom's father was named Marvolo. Perhaps Tom wasn't his only child. Maybe the other child was one of Lily's parents and one of Harry's grandparents.

Harry has Lily's eyes--green. Lucius Malfoy--gray. Hermione--brown. Arthur Weasley--blue Dumbledore--light blue Snape--black. Madame Hooch--yellow Dobby--green All this eye color in the books. What does it mean?
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Old 05-13-2005, 12:59 AM
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I don't think it means anything.
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Old 05-13-2005, 06:21 AM
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Zonko: Hello
1] I do get that this is about love not just blood but V did have physical reactions - can't touch, can't possess- to Harry's love-filled body and I was just pondering that.

2] Though D probably did the secret keeper (term?) thingy for the Potters' in hiding and the 'keep safe with the Dursleys' spell for Harry, I still don't see why it wasn't all Lily for the big, 'save Harry's life' spell against V? Sorry I can't look up where you justify this thought 'cause Aus hardback editions of OotP only go to page 766. Funny hey?! What did you get that we didn't??????!!!!!!! Or is yours in bigger print?HEEHEE (Oopps...Not that there's anything wrong with that...This political correctness is really tiring. Particularly for us non-touch-typists (Not that there's anything wrong with that either...I give up!))

3] 26 years difference between V and Lily is nothing when the mood is right and the curtains are drawn... and the lights are out...or you are Woody Allen.

4] Pretty sure that Marvolo was Tom's granddad; his mum's dad, Tom was V's father's name I think. Happy to be wrong but.

5] I've read snippets of your 'eye colour' theory before. You've clearly posted it a couple of times since then 'cause it's very precise now: Clear Eye. You may well be right. You're V.V.clever for spotting it. You may have spotted THE big clincher that is the clue to...everything, or you may have spotted that JKR is an 'eye girl' (this just makes you a Spotted Dick -couldn't help it). Eyes are something JKR may notice in people and therefore, it's what she describes to relate her picture of the characters. We await with baited breath. (What does this term mean? Maybe in olde England, when they were really hungry and had the plague, they'd lure dogs (sorry Potterdog)...I mean bears into their mouths by rolling out their bubolic tongues as bait.)

Or:

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Old 05-13-2005, 10:31 AM
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eye color is a very important facto but I am still not sure as to how, I do not know if we will be able to prove our theory until book 7, I mostly believe that eye color for Harry has something to do with his relation to his mom, and how much she sacrificed her self fo him.

V and Lily having a love child ummmm all I have to say is they should create a word on how grows that is. I do not believe that Lilly would ever do something like that willingly, but even if they did, I don't think you could explain how much Harry looks and acts like his father.

Eyes are important but I can't put my finger on the whole picture just yet
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Old 05-13-2005, 06:01 PM
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Buffy: Woopths! Forgot about UK pagination. How about this: Chapter 37; The Lost Prophecy--just read the whole chapter. I have the hardcover edition--not paperback. They probably put extra pages in the book so they can charge us more.

Right you are! Riddle was Tom's father. Marvolo was Tom's mother. Late night. Brain like jellied eels. Eyes like 2 poached eggs. Blah blah blah...

For those of you who care, a Spotted Dick is a pudding with raisins popular in the UK. It does NOT refer to any physical infirmity.

The only reason I mention this is because the references to eye color are constant. To support your lovechild theory, I will point out that if there were a child born of Lily and Voldemort, the only other magical person with green eyes is Dobby. It all makes sense now.

Radiohead: Yes indeed. You could be right.

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Old 05-13-2005, 09:06 PM
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I didn't know there was a dessert called 'spotted dick'........HEEHEE only joking sorry Zonko can't resist throwing a dispertion; double entonras(sp) away!!!

I've the Australian hardback Ed. not paperback so I still want to know why yours is bigger (bet you get asked that all the time- another double entondra(spell check to aisle three PLEASE), I'm on a bit of a frisky roll today. Must be the champagne I'm drinking for Dragonis' b'day CHeers

Dobby is V and Lily's lovechild! Wow Is every house elf equally blessed with these same parents? That would explain why Lily ran away from him: Enough is enough! Also explain why V's so haggered looking and is obsessed with anything that will increase his 'life force'.
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