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First of all I want to thank parry hotter for posting that website with all of JKR's interviews. That'...

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Old 09-20-2006, 07:22 AM
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First of all I want to thank parry hotter for posting that website with all of JKR's interviews. That's where I got this from. This may have been something that has been discussed a lot here, but it's something that has been in the back of my head for a while. It concerns why Lily was given the option to live and why James' death didn't protect Lily and Harry.

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ES: This is one of my burning questions since the third book - why did Voldemort offer Lily so many chances to live? Would he actually have let her live?

JKR: Mmhm.

ES: Why?

JKR: [silence] Can't tell you. But he did offer, you're absolutely right. Don't you want to ask me why James's death didn't protect Lily and Harry? There’s your answer, you've just answered your own question, because she could have lived and chose to die. James was going to be killed anyway. Do you see what I mean? I’m not saying James wasn't ready to; he died trying to protect his family but he was going to be murdered anyway. He had no - he wasn't given a choice, so he rushed into it in a kind of animal way, I think there are distinctions in courage. James was immensely brave. But the caliber of Lily's bravery was, I think in this instance, higher because she could have saved herself. Now any mother, any normal mother would have done what Lily did. So in that sense her courage too was of an animal quality but she was given time to choose. James wasn't. It's like an intruder entering your house, isn't it? You would instinctively rush them. But if in cold blood you were told, "Get out of the way," you know, what would you do? I mean, I don't think any mother would stand aside from their child. But does that answer it? She did very consciously lay down her life. She had a clear choice -

ES: And James didn't.

JKR: Did he clearly die to try and protect Harry specifically given a clear choice? No. It's a subtle distinction and there's slightly more to it than that but that's most of the answer.

MA: Did she know anything about the possible effect of standing in front of Harry?

JKR: No - because as I've tried to make clear in the series, it never happened before. No one ever survived before. And no one, therefore, knew that could happen.[/b]
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JKR seems to be saying that there's more to it.
The explanation that Lily's sacrifice gave Harry protection seemed complete and straight-forward to me.
On my own, I would not have thought too hard about why Voldemort would tell her more than once to get out of the way. I thought it seemed like a silly question at first, but they keep asking and JKR gives her cryptic little answers.

So, from what I gather, Lily's death somehow lead to Snape's redemption. Like maybe Voldemort promised to leave Lily out of it as part of his deal with Snape. That's what some people seem to be implying.
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JKR seems to be saying that there's more to it.
The explanation that Lily's sacrifice gave Harry protection seemed complete and straight-forward to me.
On my own, I would not have thought too hard about why Voldemort would tell her more than once to get out of the way. I thought it seemed like a silly question at first, but they keep asking and JKR gives her cryptic little answers.[/b]
The other part of it is, why did it protect Harry at all? We are told that no one has ever survived the Havada Kadavara before, but surely there must have been times when someone chose to sacrifice themselves for someone else. Yet, this didn't give the protection to them, but it did for Harry.

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So, from what I gather, Lily's death somehow lead to Snape's redemption. Like maybe Voldemort promised to leave Lily out of it as part of his deal with Snape. That's what some people seem to be implying.
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I'm not sure what you're saying here. What deal would he have made with Snape? And is Voldemort really the type of person to keep a promise?
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The other part of it is, why did it protect Harry at all? We are told that no one has ever survived the Havada Kadavara before, but surely there must have been times when someone chose to sacrifice themselves for someone else. Yet, this didn't give the protection to them, but it did for Harry.[/b]
Well, Rowling seems to put emphasis on the fact that Lily was given a choice. She accepted the fact that she was going to die fo her son...I don't think that anyone else had done this before. Avada Kedavra is not an everyday sort of curse. And surely Voldemort didn't give anyone else a choice to live or die...I'd say it's probable that none of the dark wizards before him did, either...

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...And is Voldemort really the type of person to keep a promise?
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He kept his promise to Wormtail (the hand thing).
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The other part of it is, why did it protect Harry at all? We are told that no one has ever survived the Avada Kadavara before, but surely there must have been times when someone chose to sacrifice themselves for someone else. Yet, this didn't give the protection to them, but it did for Harry. [/b]
That specific combination never happened before.
But the general idea of giving your life to protect someone else is "very old magic." In the graveyard, Voldemort was kicking himself for forgetting it.

And speaking of Lily --
A kid from the neighborhood told me today that
at one point Snape said something to Slughorn about Lily. Whatever he said, it implied a connection, and that Snape was angry when James and Lily got together in their 7th year. Is that familiar to anyone? I don't remember it.
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I don't remember anything like that...
I think the Snape/Lily thing is major fannon/fanon (as opposed to canon). I mean, I guess there could be something there, but at this point I don't buy it.
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The other part of it is, why did it protect Harry at all? We are told that no one has ever survived the Havada Kadavara before, but surely there must have been times when someone chose to sacrifice themselves for someone else. Yet, this didn't give the protection to them, but it did for Harry.[/b]
Well, Rowling seems to put emphasis on the fact that Lily was given a choice. She accepted the fact that she was going to die fo her son...I don't think that anyone else had done this before.[/b][/quote]
I find this very hard to believe. That no one in the history of the magical world had ever chosen to save someone else from the Avada Kadavara when they could have saved themselves.

She also said there is more to it.
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well i think that what J.K.R. is sayign is that james was goign to die and it didnt matter if it was to save his fammily or not lily chose to die for her son not knowing the porwe she might put into him by doing so and died herself also harry was saved and stoped voldy for a time now that is probley the commen sense of it and most say it the same i have my own oppinons but im not going to share them at the moment cause i hate being proved wrong so im just goign to wait to read the 7th book witch comes out in about a year also any ergon fans it comes out in theater soon and the next movie i think comes out some time next year o well have fun argueing and stuff
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