Character Analysis

That's the thing that irks me. Harry doesn't seem to care about his parents at all. He loves the thought of them and uses their deaths as an excuse to be embittered (rightfully so - don't get me wrong!) but where are the questions? Where are the 'I wanna know everything there is to know about everything to do with' ness?? Where's the 'where are they buried' and what happened that night?' s I know that the Dursleys have kicked questioning outta Harry but he seems confident enough about asking all kinds of questions when in the magical world. Why doesn't Harry ask about his parents and their family? Why doesn;t he even try to look them up in books/ if he's in 'Modern History of Witchcraft' so have they gotta be...??? Do you get what I mean... I f Lupin is some amazing link to Harry's parents and that 'parent link' was/is SO important, why hasn't Harry explored this link and his parents, before???

well harry has and mabe in the mext book he will

or mabe after all these years he couldnt bring himself to ask that because he didnt want to know that his parents were killed because of him and he never let himself think about it wile he was so buisy




you got me there buffy! you realy did

Please suprime witch. Give me an alternate readings of all the stuff I posted and you re-posted above???

Why has JKR refused to say who the missing Deatheater was????
Who do you think it was???
What's in the PoA movie, that wasn't in the book, that was so telling about what's gonna happen later, that it gave Jo the chills??? If not Lupin loves Lily, what???

Holy Bat Buns, BuffyBuff (couldn't think of anything more alliterative)! Just read the Lupin theory: nothing if not extreme. Got to admit though, the fact that Snape might actually have been in the circle of DEs in GoF never even occured to me - it was the kind of thing that made me sit up straighter in my seat and say "Well, blimey," (language changed to protect the innocent). For a few seconds, I actually thought you might be on to something, but then I thought - and this is just to answer the question you asked below about who the missing Death Eater is - that surely someone would have noticed Snape disapparating from where he was patrolling - at least, I think he was patrolling - the hedges at the edge of the Triwizard maze. That aside - I may not have read Hogwarts: A History, but I've heard e-bloody-nough about it through these books - you can't actually disapparate within the Hogwarts grounds, so how was Snape supposed to appear at Voldemort's side, anyway? Therefore, I'm still fairly sure V. was referring to Snape when he was talking about the missing DE (as to why JK wouldn't say...She was probably just trying to add a little mystery, or something - I know, I know, like there isn't enough already).

As for Lupin as a Death Eater...I dunno, I always kinda liked Lupin and I really don't want to think it's him - that's not saying it isn't, it's just me being biased. As for Lily and Lupin, that's a different matter and I think you're probably a hundred percent right that Lupin was in love with her and she rejected/chose James Potter instead of him.

All that said, I think we're almost certain to see some kind of turncoat within the ranks of the Order - the posting on Lupin as DE certainly made me think that we honestly had no idea who was under those hoods. heck, Dumbledore himself could have been there and we'd never have known (that is a JOKE, by the way, before anyone rushes off with the idea that I'm calling Dumbledore a DE), so I think there's a fairly good chance that someone that Harry's close to (aside from Snape) is going to end up being revealed as a DE, or V. informant. No ideas who though (yet, but I imagine I'll be thinking about that later on).

there we go ......... that sorta settles it ... does it not?

anyways id like to say good job!

Slopeydope; As you can see chiq already pointed out that flaw in my thinking. I have already agreed that Snape probably wasn't in the graveyard. This does NOt change the fact that Jo will not answer the question "Who was the missing Deatheater?" and this does NOT prove that Lupin MIGHT have been one of the 'Deatheaters passed in silence" . I still reckon this is VERY sus. Added to the Sus.ness of the Lupin and Lily theory, I think the two COULD be linked.

I LOVE LUPIN TOO!!! I hope I am wrong!! I will be the FIRST person in the world to go YAY!!! if he's the hero and mature, loyal, lovely bloke we all think he is.

PLEASE remember that I am just putting this stuff out there. I didn't come up with these theories I brought them from other sites and tacked on the 'Lupin has got a dark past' >>> MAYBE 'Lupin is a spy' bit. It's only a thought!! It's really not dangerous!!

I am warmed by the thought that your enormous powers of reasoning are being put to work on this issue Slopeydope.

Ah, BuffyBuff, flattery (even if I do detect a slight note of sarcasm) will get you everywhere and I understand completely that you're just throwing the idea out there - believe me, I don't take all this THAT personally - indeed, I kind of like it, cos you're making me think about it. Even so, still gotta disagree with the Lupin as a Death Eater theory. There's just no evidence. Alright, it's a strong contention that Lupin loved Lily, but it's a heck of a big leap to then say that he went off and joined the Death Eaters as some kind of - what? revenge? It just doesn't fit in with what we know about Lupin so far and JK's pretty good at keeping her characters acting within, erm, character. Look at Sirius, right from the off he was a brash, throw caution to the wind, James Dean type, which is exactly the kind of thing that eventually led to him being killed - just like James Dean in fact. Likewise, Lupin has always been portrayed as the sensible, down to earth, always-acting-for-the-best model student/teacher. I know - none better in fact - that we're all sometimes fools for love, but rushing off to join the Death Eaters just because of a broken heart? Nah, Lupin's more the type of guy who'd grin and bear it, even if his heart strings are being torn up like garden weeds, you know what I mean?

Even so, I agree that it is very suspicious that JK avoided the question about who the missing Death Eater was. I'd never actually read about that until the other day when I read your posting. Still got no ideas why she'd avoid the question, so it MUST have some bearing on the books as a whole (unless, as I said in my last posting, she's just playing mind games and, you know, with JK, you never can quite rule that out (think of your favourite murder, Cedric "Oh! he was a main character to me." Diggory) - heck, she might just have thought, if you're stupid enough not to have figured that out, then I ain't gonna tell you

Slopeydope; "Sarcasm"!!!??? I don't even know how to spell it let a lone do it!! No sarcasm intended towards you in anyway, honest!! I love your feed back on this stuff it makes the waiting (I'm now living in JULY!!! (I'm a southern hemisphereer) YAY ! 15 days to go 'til HBP!!) so much more enjoyable.

I totally agree. It's a HUGE leap to go from 'Lily and Lupin in love' to 'Lupin is a spy'.
You will notice that now, as in my first post, I thought that the idea that Lupin was a Deatheater was pushin' it. I still reckon that he MIGHT have been so jealous of James that he became a Deatheater. I prefer the idea that he has slipped info (prob. via Petigrew) to Voldy. I am not necessarily saying that Lupin is a Deatheater- though, if you insist, I will - but I think he was/is more a spy, someone who gave info. to Voldemort. (That was confused sorry. I'm v. tired. Hope you follow it)

'Jo keeps her characters in 'character''????....ummm??? No. How about: Quirelle, Sirius Black, Mrs Figg, Bagman, Crouch Snr and 'Mad-eye Moody' even Petunia, just to name the most obvious. ie, I don't think Jo wants us to take people on face value at all! What's so different about Lupin??? It's not like he's a Weasley and we know all about him. There are things in his past that are dark. They might even include ummm.... ohhh! I dunno.... rattin' out his best mate and the women he loved 'cause he was ripped apart with jealousy...????... Just a thought

I totally agree. 'The Cedric Claus': Where Jo says a "major character is going to die" and she makes it Cedric Diggory!!??? Prob. be the same with HBP and all the theories within.

On Jo's official site, she says that though she won't say who the "missing Deatheater is, many fan sites have guessed right"......????? Isn't this even MORE frustrating??!

I still need to know (for this theory to really work in my mind) if it says in OotP, that LUPIN - as well as Dumb and Snape - was good at occulency. I know it's there somewhere!!! ?????????????

i dont think that says that anywhere

No, I can't remember reading that Lupin was a legilimens anywhere, either. That doesn't mean he isn't. The great thing about Legilimens is that, if you learn it and don't want anyone to know, you can hide the information (laughs, then thinks My God that's lame)!

Erm, yeah, good points about JK not keeping characters in character. I won't make excuses for myself, that was a bit silly of me. That said, I think you could argue that there's a difference between characters being misrepresented (ie, Sirius, misrepresented by the MoM and the general public because no one understands he's innocent) and acting out of character for their own means. Another example, Mrs. Figg, well, she was just a very minor presence in the early chapters of the first book. Obviously, we didn't know she was a Squib, but at that point, Harry didn't even know about magic, so it's not surprising that she was told to keep her identity quiet. That said, you're right, JK doesn't like us taking characters at face value and I'm sure that there must be some kind of dark past for Lupin (how can you not have a dark past if you're a werewolf?).

Incidentally (and a little off the point) something I was wondering about the other day was if Lupin has ever actually given anyone else the bite? If he has, d'you reckon that could play a part? And how's this for a little off the wall idea (and an alternative to the Lupin/Spy/DE theory)? Lupin gave Lily the bite...That would explain, of course, why Lupin says she was the only only one who was there for him (if he'd bit Lily, I find it difficult to believe that James would have been especially forgiving, but Lily might have been) when there was no one else. You want me to just explain a brief scenario of how that might happen? Well, the Marauders all sneak off out of the castle on a full moon night, Lily sees them and follows and gets attacked by Lupin. I'm not saying it's likely, but we know next to nothing (as you've pointed out, BuffyBuff) about Harry's parents. I mean, honestly, there could have been any number of issues involved there and Harry (because he hasn't asked) wouldn't know.