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hello , There are two main reasons (and a bunch of smaller ones) to why I think that Ron will die. ...

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Old 09-29-2005, 06:08 AM
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hello ,
There are two main reasons (and a bunch of smaller ones) to why I think that Ron will die. Of course, I don't want him to - it would be completely horrible - better be prepared for the worst, eh?


In OotP, Ron makes a very stupid joke indeed: "And from now on, I don't care if my tea-leaves spell die, Ron, die - I'm just chucking them in the bin where they belong" (p. 633). What bothers me here is not only that it's one of Ron's jokes, but that the "die, Ron, die" is emphasised by being put in italics. JKR could have not done this. She could have used quotation marks instead, or nothing at all for that matter. Also, the word "die" is duplicated and put around the word "Ron", surrounding it. It doesn't look too good…

This is a theory that I received quite some time ago from my friends online .


Everything in italics is part of the message they sent me. (The passage is PS p. 204-206 UK paperback edition by the way.)

"Rowling always had a good sense of humour ;-). She described the Second Wizard War in the McGonagall's chess game. The chessmen (chessmen, figures...how strangely she describes them, like real people, not like pieces of stone) are black (Aurors) and white (Death Eaters). The white figures are scary, cus they are "faceless" (white terrible masks of Death Eaters)
"Harry, Ron and Hermione shivered slightly -- the towering white chessmen had no faces."

Then let's take a look at this:

"Well, Harry, you take the place of that bishop, and Hermione, you are next to him instead of that castle."
"What about you?"
"I'm going to be a knight," said Ron."

That's a very strange choice, isn't it? Ron is very good at chess, he must knew, that it's better to be a king, because kings can stay until the end of the game without being taken, and they are the ones, who command. It would be much more logical and safe to be a king. But Rowling likes symbolism, and everything in this chess game is symbolical. Ron IS a knight, because this redhead boy is pure in heart and brave as a real knight. He never was a king, or a commander."


Hermione is a castle, because castle walks straight, and Hermione is quite a "straight" person. Harry is a bishop because bishop is the figure that is very close to the King (Dumbledore). Harry is also not "straight" like Hermione, he prefers "to walk diagonally," because he's self-effacing and a little secretive (like confessors (bishop))."

Then the game (WAR) begins...

"Their first real shock came when their other knight was taken. The white queen smashed him to the floor and dragged him off the board, where he lay quite still, facedown."

Bellatrix Lestrange murdered Sirius Black."

Every time one of their men was lost, the white pieces showed no mercy. Soon there was a huddle of limp black players slumped along the wall. Ron himself darted around the board, taking almost as many white pieces as they had lost black ones."

Yes..." said Ron softly, "It's the only way... I've got to be taken."
"No!" Harry and Hermione shouted.
"That's chess!" snapped Ron. "You've got to make some sacrifices! I take one step forward and she'll take me -- that leaves you free to checkmate the king, Harry!"
"But --"
"Do you want to stop Snape or not?"
"Ron --"
"Look, if you don't hurry up, he'll already have the Stone!"
There was no alternative."

Ron sacrifices himself to let Harry kill Voldemort. There is NO alternative, he has to die anyway. The book 7 spoiler.

"He stepped forward, and the white queen pounced. She struck Ron hard across the head with her stone arm, and he crashed to the floor - Hermione screamed but stayed on her square - the white queen dragged Ron to one side. He looked as if he'd been knocked out."

Bellatrix Lestrange murders Ron Weasley.

"The white king took off his crown and threw it at Harry's feet. They had won. The chessmen parted and bowed, leaving the door ahead clear."

Harry kills Voldemort and survives. The Second Wizard War ends.




Additional information:

During the chessgame, the author writes:

"Twice, Ron only just noticed in time that Harry and Hermione were in danger."

What's going to happen in Books 7 with the trio? Where are they going to go, how are they going to be in danger? Something wicked this way comes."






Harry needs to stop fearing death in order to destroy Voldemort. He needs to know two things: that there are things in the world worth dying for and that he no longer has anything (or very little) to lose in this world. He's already lost his parents and the closest thing to a father he's ever known. What could he possibly lose to make his ties to the world thin enough not to fear death? Ron, of course. The thing he would most miss according to whoever did the choosing of the hostages for the second task of the Triwizard Tournament



This was written in my notebook before the 6th book came out . so there's nothing about dumbledore's death .ron can die but there are 100 percent chanses that he won't.

you tell me something ?





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I think that you bring a very exciting idea. Everything you sais make a lot of sense, I hop eyour dead wrong, but hey thats just me. Do you think jk knew the 1-7 stories while she was writing 1? I loved reading your post, a very intellectual, thought out view. Do you think harry will die?
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Good one.

I don't know what I think. I need time to digest.

Off the top of my head, I would say that I never thought of a chess knight as "pure in heart and brave" so much as tricky. When you don't know the game, the knight seems to come out of nowhere and vanish just as quickly. That sounds more like Dumbledore.


"Ron himself darted around the board, taking almost as many white pieces as they had lost black ones." That sounds more like Dumbledore, too.

What sounds even more like Dumbledore is, "Yes... It's the only way... I've got to be taken."

And then there's the part where "Twice, Ron only just noticed in time that Harry and Hermione were in danger." How many times Has Dumbledore been caught napping?

I know it's feeble so far. I'm still thinking. I need to find that book and check that part again.
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And another thing....

Since the mirror of Erised in the first book, I've been waiting
for ickle, happless, cluless Ron to become Head Boy,
Quiddich Captain and winner of the house cup, all at once.

He's well on his way. He could easily do all three in the last book.
And get the girl (Hermione) in the end.
Can you see him directing the enthusiastic chorus?
"Weasley Is Our King!"

And yes, Rowling had the whole story in mind before the first book was published.
She is just fleshing it out, filling in the details.
Lots and lots of details.
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How could he do all of those things when there will be no Hogwarts next year?

But for the first post, I think that you're right. Sadly, I think I've been waiting for it. Especially since the wand coincidence. (What was it, unicorn hair?) Anyways, I don't think that the knight related to Dumbledore, though.
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We don't know what's happening at Hogwarts next year.
Ron and Hermione might still go.
Even Harry could change his mind.
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Harryisdbest- Nice work! I think you're onto something.
Psyduck- I reckon you also could be right about DUmbledore/ Knight. It does sound like him. DUmbledore sacrifices himself so Harry can take Voldemort.
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well, i totally believe in .......nothing
ron should not die but i wrote this so that all my friends (you)
could have an idea about what i found .
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I also agree although i dont not want ron to die i belive you all have a point but i am not fully convinced because you all say all these facts but i bet from the first three book no one would of guessed that lord voldremort( you-know-who for those who are like most wizards) would retern like that.

i must say that your information is very good and as i know the books off by heart i must say this is very intelligent if you to work this out.

thanks for listening
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I also agree although i dont not want ron to die i belive you all have a point but i am not fully convinced because you all say all these facts but i bet from the first three book no one would of guessed that lord voldremort( you-know-who for those who are like most wizards) would retern like that.

i must say that your information is very good and as i know the books off by heart i must say this is very intelligent if you to work this out.

thanks for listening
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becky!!
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becky , thanks !!
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