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Old 02-16-2007, 02:18 PM
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I would just like to know three questions. Instead of posting 3 different posts, I thought I would merge all of it into one discussion.

All these questions are opinions unless there is information to say that the statements are the truth. If anything is the truth please info me on where I could read up on it because I love to get as much knowledge about Harry Potter possible.

#1 - Is Snape Bad or Good?

#2 - Is Sirus really dead or just disappeared?

#3 - How many people believe Dumbledore is still alive?

Here are my personal opinionated anwsers:

#1 - I believe Snape is still a death eater, that he is a bad guy.

#2 - No body no proof he is dead. I am not 100% sure for either a yes or no. I do believe it is possilbe for him to show up in book #7 shocking us all.

#3 - Sad to say, I believe he is dead. I do hope I get proved wrong in this case.

How does everyone else feel?
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Old 02-16-2007, 04:00 PM
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Question 2: About Sirius, I don't know. We just don't have enough information.
I think he's dead, but I wouldn't bet the ranch.

Questions 1 and 3 go together. You can't have it both ways.
Either Snape is good and Dumbledore is alive, or Snape is bad and Dumbledore is dead.
The one thing you can't have is a good Snape and a dead Dumbledore.
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I do to some dgree belive that dumbledore is dead, but only physically if anything
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1) I think that Snape has gone bad.

2) I think that Sirius is truly dead. At least I don't think that he will come back. EVER!

3)I also think that Dumbledore is dead as well. I mean, obviously, because I think that Snape is now one of the bad guys.
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1: I say Snape is bad. I never bought into his innocense.

2: I believe Sirius is still alive. I think maybe what he fell through was something that took him somewhere else. I think he'll come back in the 7 book.

3: Dumbledore is dead in my opinion. Unless somebody was using the polyjuice posion or something, he was killed.
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OK, some of you are absolutely going to hate this post, because it may make your head hurt.

1. I do not believe that Snape has "gone bad." I think that at one time he was motivated to join the Death Eaters for power and glory, but then discovered that being subject to a psychopath was not the way to do it. After all, it is noted in one of the books that Voldemort does not treat his loyal followers any better than his enemies. Snape is many things, but an idiot is not one of them. He knows better than anyone how dangerous Voldemort can be, and how the world would be if he won.

2. I don't think it matters whether Sirius is dead or disappeared. The fact is he is gone and will probably not return. To be honest I did not really like the character. He struck me as egotistical, conceited, and extremely hypocritical.

3. Yes, Dumbledor is dead. Rowling has told us this in no uncertain terms. This does not mean, however, that he will not figure in the final book. There are the portraits of the headmasters of the school in the headmasters office.

Now, you will notice that I believe that Snape is good and Dumbledor is dead. Many of you have raised the point that you cannot have both be true. You probably say this because in your eyes anyone who kills anyone else for any reason is evil. This is simply not true. What about the soldiers who fight wars for their countries? I can assure you the ammunition is not fake. People die. So are those soldiers evil for wanting to protect those things which are important to them? The fact of the matter is that in war many of the same methods are used on both sides. What makes people evil or not in this situation is not necessarily their actions, because they are usually the same, but their motivations. So lets go back to Dumbledor's situation. From his condition after drinking the potion in the cave I would say it is pretty clear he is not going to make it to the castle in time to get the help he needs. He knows he is dying. He also knows that if he dies by any other method than being killed by Draco or Snape that both are going to probably die, either by Voldemorts hand or as the result of a broken vow. So they would lose a valuable spy on top of a powerful defender. So let me pose the question. As Dumbledor, what would you do? Would you try to save your neck at the expense of others, or would you arrange a death that would ultimately aid them. The answer seems pretty clear to me.
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...What makes people evil or not in this situation is not necessarily their actions, because they are usually the same, but their motivations...[/b]
Been there, done that.
Suicide missions don't work in western culture.
I can't see JKR glorifying suicide in a children's book.
Especially with all that's going on in the Middle East right now.

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...So lets go back to Dumbledor's situation. From his condition after drinking the potion in the cave I would say it is pretty clear he is not going to make it to the castle in time to get the help he needs. He knows he is dying... [/b]
The problem with that is that the events in the cave and any effect they had on Dumbledore could not have been a part of the plan. No one knew ahead of time what they would find in the cave, and Dumbledore had no way of telling Snape about it.

The only theory that works here is the one about Dumbledore's hand.
That the injury from the ring was fatal and that Snape somehow helped to postpone Dumbledore's death, for almost a year, but not forever.

I don't buy it. I find it too far-fetched.
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I say that Dumbledore is dead,and so is Sirius,and so are Harry`s parents,BUT Harry is going to find a way to talk with the daead through the mirror that Sirius gave him.So it`s going to be like they aren`t dead!
And Snape is going to die in the end probbably,and so is Voldemort.
I really never thought Snape was good.
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Maybe Dumbledore and Sirius will show up as ghosts , just like Nearly-Headless Nick.
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE(The Master of Espionage @ Mar 18 2007, 01:15 AM) [snapback]31457[/snapback]
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...What makes people evil or not in this situation is not necessarily their actions, because they are usually the same, but their motivations...[/b]
Been there, done that.
Suicide missions don't work in western culture.
I can't see JKR glorifying suicide in a children's book.
Especially with all that's going on in the Middle East right now.

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...So lets go back to Dumbledor's situation. From his condition after drinking the potion in the cave I would say it is pretty clear he is not going to make it to the castle in time to get the help he needs. He knows he is dying... [/b]
The problem with that is that the events in the cave and any effect they had on Dumbledore could not have been a part of the plan. No one knew ahead of time what they would find in the cave, and Dumbledore had no way of telling Snape about it.

The only theory that works here is the one about Dumbledore's hand.
That the injury from the ring was fatal and that Snape somehow helped to postpone Dumbledore's death, for almost a year, but not forever.

I don't buy it. I find it too far-fetched.
[/b][/quote]

Not to seem querrelous but it seems obvious to me that Dumbledor knew what the liquid was and what effect it would have on him. Therefore, he knew he would need another person who would force him to finish drinking it. Ergo, Dumbledor had been to the cave before. Besides, do you really think that Dumbledor would drag Harry into a place where he couldn't protect him or had no idea what dangers were in store? I don't see Dumbledor as being that reckless with Harry's life. Assuming that he had been there before, Dumbledor knew exactly what condition he would be in after drinking the potion, and it is quite possible that Severus did have an antidote prepared. What Dumbledor didn't anticipate was the invasion of Hogwarts at exactly the time he was gone. I think what turned out as a test for Harry turned into something else altogether.

Due to the presence of the Death-Eaters, Severus was not allowed to heal the headmaster as planned. When Severus discovered the Death-Eater invasion, he realised that his job was to find Draco and Dumbledor, because his life hinged on those two people. No one else really mattered. The headmaster realized that, whatever the original plan had been, he was not going to survive. Therefore he did the best he could to protect everyone concerned. Draco was spared from killing him. Harry was hidden from his enemies. And Severus lived to fight another day.

Oh, and just as a side comment, this situation could easily have as much to do with euthanasia as it does murder or suicide.

Besides, giving your life willingly for your friends has a simple nobility to it. Ask any Christian on the block. "Greater love hath no man than to give his life for his friends."


I just had one more thought, just to cause some further headaches.

Why did Snape, upon hearing the Death Eaters had come, head directly for the tower?

I have my own take on this, and am curious to hear yours.
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