Another problem is that “Vilula” and “TeenLeigh” do not appear to agree that Dumbledore Lives.



What does it matter if I think Dumbledore is dead or not? Either way it is my belief that Snape and Dumbledore had a plan and that Snape was NOT acting on Voldemort's behalf thus the thread title.





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TeenLeigh said, “Suicide is done out of either selfishness and \ or cowardice (outside of mental illness). Sacrifice is done out of courage and caring about others.”
Suicide bombers are not selfish or cowards. And they care very much about their own people, their country and their perception of god. It’s just that, somewhere along the way, their thinking got twisted. It’s not something we praise.



On this statement I take issue because, Suicide Bombers ARE VERY MUCH SELFISH ! Acording to their religion, the more "infidels" they take out with their attacks the better off in their heaven they think they'll be. They kill for the reward they think they're going to get! Just a bit selfish don't ya think? But, I do agree that their religion twists their perception of reality. Even so, they die and kill for the reward they've been taught will be given to them for cleansing the world of infidels.




TeenLeigh also said, “The Monumental difference in the two is that suicide is taking ones own life, and Sacrfice is giving it to someone else! In one you kill yourself and in the other someone or something you are not in control of kills you!”
But that’s just the point. Dumbledore WAS IN CONTROL, just as much as he would have been if he’s stepped in front of a train. He and Snape had a plan. Dumbledore CHOSE not to step out of the way.




Dumbledore can not control Voldemort or his minions and was not in control of them on that tower! He could not stop the order to kill him from being carried out by any one of the Death Eaters on that tower and one of them would have gladly finished him off if Snape wouldn't have.

Yes, I agree that he chose the outcome and in doing so he chose to give his life so that another (Malfoy) could live. And, if Dumbledore chose to step in front of a train because if he did not it was going to crash into a bus filled with kids, that would be a SACRIFICE in my book to.

It seems to me that you have an issue with the motive defining the action. Therein lies the problem. Suicide and Sacrifice ARE definded by the motive in which it is carried out.



sac·ri·fice [sákrə fss]
n (plural sac·ri·fic·es)
1. giving up of something valued: a giving up of something valuable or important for somebody or something else considered to be of more value or importance

Encarta ® World English Dictionary © & (P) 1998-2004 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.[u]


But, this thread has gotten way off course. Whether or not you think Dumbledore sacrificed his life,

SNAPE IS NOT VOLDEMORT'S MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!